Seriously dissaponted with my new S61 Mk2

If maschine wasn't tied so much to the controller, and you could mouse and keyboard it more , then you could definitely just use a kk 2 , and then I think it would be good idea if N.I sold the software or did a bundle with the kk2 , especially if it brings more money for development .

 

You can get by without a Maschine controller and just use the mouse with the keyboard. I do plenty without switching back and forth like I did before buying the keyboard.

I think that anyone with either controller should be allowed to at least get the Maschine software for the $99 I remember it being offered for. I think that was the crossgrade price.


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The 99 was an update from1.8 to the 2.0 software.
After I posted I thought about it and you can do quite a bit with the mouse and a kk , ill have to test it out to see How it fits my workflow .
1 thing I think you can't do is double a pattern

 

You can certainly do enough for my purposes (tbh what I really want KK should be able to do too but currently it can't - eg integrate fx, build more complex sounds, better editing of mappings)

Although I do like the arrangement aspects and would use it as a DAW/music recorder for the keyboard, IF it supported aftertouch (without that it's pointless).

 

The KK MK2comes bundled with Select 11. Maschine has it's own software. It's like buying a car that came with a trailer hitch. The hitch is there in case you ever buy a trailer. You wouldn't expect the car company to throw in the trailer.

 

Some people expect everything

 

Do you have the Mk2? I've been using the Mk2 for months now and its basically designed for the maschine lol. Personally im not that angry because i own maschine 2 but I can certainly see why people are disappointed.

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You have every piece of hardware? Gawdamn

 

Taken me a long time to have what I do, and now have a strong stable setup that works well for me

 

You are fkn set my friend.

 

The fact is there is no other host that is better integrated with the KK keyboard and ecosystem than Maschine. The only other 2 hosts I have that are 'integrated' are Live and Logic and Logic integration is erratic to say the least, Live integration is OK but very basic. Maschine integration is much more sophisticated, it just needs to move beyond being a pattern based beat oriented app to a full DAW. Otherwise enable recording and sequencing features in KK but to me that would be redundant, Maschine does those things, it just needs to cater for a wider range of composition styles.

 

Even though I don't expect them to go back on their word to make Maschine a full-blown DAW, I agree with this.

 

Completly agree. The integration is very good. If NI ever introduces song layer, Maschine+KK2 will be a VERY powerfull system.

 

And, that is why I purchased the KK MK2. I primarily produce in Maschine. If I don't have a fleshed out composition or video to edit to, I'm going to start in Maschine. The new workflow is much better than with the MK1. But, I can see why a Logic user might be disappointed. I own S1 and Abel10. I want the DAW control that the MK1 had back for S1. I have yet to learn Live, so I can't really comment on that Integration. The little I have used it, it is pretty powerful. I appreciate the integration and hope it can make its way to Studio One 3, as well.


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Yeah that's the problem I'm running up against. It's not just that KK doesn't come with Maschine, in fact I can see why that wouldn't be a good idea at the moment because although Maschine does integrate well with KK it's also very limited in terms of what it can do as a composition tool. For example it can't even record what you play

I would really love to be able to do that but at the moment Maschine is not up to the job, still needs further development in terms of support for less beat oriented keyboard playing composers.

 

I too am hoping for Song layer, but I do think Maschine can do more than just making beats. I am a singer-songwriter and I enjoy Maschine very much as it is already. It made me rethink making music, in a way. And because it is so easy to create tracks, browse instruments, copy patterns, scenes etc from the hardware, there is very little time lost between ideas and music. And I still feel I only have scratched the surface. I think to have a good time with Maschine, one must be prepared to explore other than the trusted workflow. Not easy, but can be rewarding.
That being said: I will rejoice when NI gives us the option to bypass pattern based recording when we want to.

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Yeah but I can't use it with the keyboard that has aftertouch and plugins that have aftertouch when Maschine won't record it - that's just stupid

 

I don't know what you can do with a pad that you couldnt do with a keyboard... so, for Mashine working totally with KK keyboard, It is just a matter of midi assignment right?

 

When I was rebuilding my set up, needing MIDI keys & pads, I knew enough to come ask questions 1st, mostly from what I couldn't gather from the manuals (yes, I too read them prior to purchase). EvilDragon and a few others took time to explain. I was disappointed in the integration/separation of the products, but PRIOR to purchasing. Unfortunately for us, NI is more concerned with maximizing its revenue than giving you comprehensive products at the cheapest prices.

It's your responsibility to research before you part with your money. Return the product and accept the lesson.

 

While I can normally agree with this statement, I do not feel it quite applies here as it would to normal gear purchases.

I started my production life in the 90s which was far easier to make choices because there simply were not as many options to get confused over. Companies like NI pray on users with their sleek advertising and fancy lights and seemingly "everything in one box" claims.

The issue we have here with MK2 is not that people have not done their research, many have "upgraded" from MK1 to MK2 and find themselves unable to make it work as the MK1 did because of the omission of (very basic) MCU functionality.

I personally would have thought NI would have developed other integration methods BEFORE removing the previous one because out of the many DAWs available, Komplete Kontrol MK2 supports maybe 5% of them at the moment where KK1 MK1 supported most of them in a basic way at least.

It has felt (to me) like the design of the KK and NKS was a great idea on paper which was not really fully investigated in real life and we are now stuck with a product that feels half finished while the developers struggle to figure out how to make it actually work properly. For the lucky few (like me) who simply use a single DAW supported by the platform it works great but I can see where almost every user is coming from and it has nothing to really do with not doing research.