Set up for NI Komplete 13

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Lee Boyes, Jun 27, 2021.

  1. Lee Boyes

    Lee Boyes New Member

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    Hello,
    Firstly I apologies for my ignorance but I came here as you are clearly not ignorant, at least regarding NI products!
    I’ve usually struggled with computers, for several reasons but have decided to take the plunge and am working towards purchasing Komplete 13 ultimate collectors edition. I currently don’t have a laptop/computer capable of dealing with its demands and come to you with some questions. Please treat me like a child, as I struggle!
    I’m planning on running 13 through my Kronos either into its sequencer or into Logic Pro.
    I plan to get a computer with 16gb ram to aid K13’s use. Probably a Mac of some variety with the new m1 chip) In terms of ssd storage, to what extent will that matter?

    I know that people recommend only installing the soundbanks you think you’ll be using from K 13 thereby limiting the drain on space however I’d prefer to have it all available even if I find I don’t touch half of it! I understand you’ll need over 1 tb of space for full installation (and more if you purchase 3rd parry soundbanks) but does this have to be on the laptop/computer or can you use, as I have, an external hard drive and ‘pull’ the sounds you want from there with ease?
    If that’s not possible do I need a 2tb memory on board the computer or is there another way?
    In essence before I purchase the software I need help getting the right hardware to run it.
    Last question - where does Kontakt fit in and does it come with the collectors edition?
    Be gentle!
    Thanks for your time.
     
  2. ShelLuser

    ShelLuser NI Product Owner

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    Ey there, welcome to the forum.

    If you plan on getting serious within the field of digital audio then I would recommend against a Mac for the simple reason that the OS becomes less and less reliable. It has happened 2 times in somewhat short timespans where a major OS update rendered nearly the entire DAW market useless.

    In other words: you upgraded to the next version of the OS and as a result none of your audio software worked anymore. And not just some specific brands or programs, the whole industry suffered. And this idiocy didn't happen once, it has now happened twice.

    Each to their own of course but considering the much higher costs of Apple equipment (which is also often arguably not very high end where hardware quality is concerned) then I cannot help but wonder if Windows / Intel isn't a much better alternative here. The money which you save on hardware can then be used for other stuff, such as more audio software ;)

    Yah, I never heard advice like that before and IMO it's dumb advice as well. That is... depending on context. If you know exactly what you'll be using your audio setup for and you also know that you'll never deviate from that approach... then maybe it makes sense to limit yourself.

    But for everything else? If you don't get access to everything it could limit your creativity quite severly. IMO of course.

    But yah... I ended up buying myself a 4Tb (internal) drive and dumped the entirely of Komplete UC on it. Well, except for 2 piano libraries (The Giant & Una Corda) and I also left the symphony essentials series out because I have the full deal. But... when I'm looking for that one perfect sound which I need then I don't want to be limited by a partially available library.

    You can use external drives, I've read that people do this all the time. However, I don't have experience with that. Also because it's usually not that hard (or expensive) to get some solid internal storage.

    But to give you a bit of an estimate... on my PC the Komplete data folder gobbles up approx. 1,11Tb.

    Kontakt is one of the main sound engines of Komplete, where Komplete is basically a huge collection of instruments and effects. The main sound engines for Komplete are basically Kontakt (this is a sample based instrument), Reaktor (this is a "build it yourself" synth) and Guitar Rig (this is a collection of audio filters and effects).

    Of course there's tons more within Komplete (Absynth, Massive, Straylight, Raum, etc.) but I think it's safe to say that those are the main environments.

    And yes, Kontakt is part of Komplete. Here is a comparison chart of all available Komplete editions.
     
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  3. Lee Boyes

    Lee Boyes New Member

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    Thank you for your detailed response Shel. I assure you that it’s appreciated.

    lol at the counter advice re loading all vs some of 13. I’m sure you’re correct (as I said it’s the way I want to do it and I like thinking I’m right!) but they were so certain - on a keyboard forum I found discussing K13.

    I knew about the problems with the M1 switch being a problem but not that it seems like more of a habit of Apple’s. I’m inclined to heed your advice. I’ve looked at the likes of Razor Blade laptops/Dell desktops/etc and the like - I suppose I was drawn to Apple as there’s less choice!
    I’m a little way of purchasing a computer - got a bathroom spewing sewage that needs sorting first! I don’t suppose anyone has a recommendation for a computer that is likely to be able to handle everything thrown at it that should last a good few years tech wise? Budget is £1000-1500. That’s 2 months wages for me. I don’t plan to use it for anything other than the like of NI software and sorting photos etc. I have a 20 tb hardrive and if people feel storing 13 on one still runs smoothly then I’d prefer to have the computer money going toward good ram/processor than space if it’s not necessary.
    Thanks again for the help. It’s a great relief to not feel alone doing this. It’s good to know that when I purchase 13 there’s a great helpful forum to fall back on.
    Cheers
    Lee
    *edit* just to ask - I had a look at a uk company called pcspecialist who make bespoke computers, has anyone had experience of this company?
     
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  4. ShelLuser

    ShelLuser NI Product Owner

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    I can't comment on specific brands and such because this also heavily relies on your place of residence and all. I do have one point of advice: consider grabbing an external sound interface. It doesn't have to be seriously high end but it can dramatically reduce the so called latency problem. Latency is a delay which happens between hitting a controller (or your keyboard) and the sounds actually playing.

    One method to reduce latency is a so called ASIO driver (ASIO stands for Audio Stream Input/Output) which is a very specific driver because it overrides any 'regular' drivers and directly accesses your audio interface, therefor also putting a lock on it (so that only your audio software can use it). Obviously you'll get the best results if you can get a sound interface which provides its own ASIO driver(s) but otherwise you can also try to use the freely available Asio4All driver.

    Definitely something to keep in mind...
     
  5. Lee Boyes

    Lee Boyes New Member

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    I’ll definitely bear it in mind. Seems like ‘sound’ advice… sorry for the joke!
    It’s amusing how in the space of 3 months I’ve gone from a pretty basic analog set up to spending 2k on a korg Kronos and now I’m probably shelling out another 3k on a computer and software. Saying that I know that everything I’ve done up to now has felt a lot like a compromise whereas I know I now want to actually truly realise the music I envision.
    Cheers for the help, I know it’s easy to skip rookie questions like mine.
    Lee
     
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  6. Jojo123

    Jojo123 NI Product Owner

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    Hi, Lee Boyes.
    I m a Mac user but I agree TOTALLY with ShelLuser re Apple and their shennanigans. For my situation many years ago it made sense to go with Apple as they bought C-Lab which is where I started. Logic was a natural progression and made life easier at the time. I almost went PC but just before I went to purchase Logic, Apple closed the cross platform option, so I went Mac. That said I don't engage in Apple fanaticism I just use my Mac as a tool to get the job done. I have 2 PCs, one with Windows the other with Linux. They all have their down sides and their strong points.

    You dont say but I assume you're aware of the Summer sale? If you're definitely getting K13U CE you want to move quick to get the 50% off which finishes at the end of this month. This is a great deal. I'm new to NI and Ive gone for that package as well. There lots to learn and I'd recommend spending lots of time perusing NI site and this forum, getting familiar with the whole concept of how NI does things. I have a long way to go to get my knowledge of all things NI up to speed.

    All the best with your decision!
     
  7. Lee Boyes

    Lee Boyes New Member

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    Hi Jojo,
    Thanks. I think you two have successfully dissuaded me from Mac/Apple.
    I’m currently looking at this
    https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/view/DAW-2500-PC/
    for my computer. It may be overkill but I’d rather pay a few hundred more and get a pc that should last longer. I’m happy to be Persuaded that this is unadvisable if someone feels the spec/price don’t match. As I said in OP I’ve never really got computers.
    Re sale, thanks, I’m aware of the current sale however I’m simply not in a position financially to purchase the pc plus software. I believe I’m correct in saying that this summer sale is a regular event so I’m hoping to be in a better place within 12 months,
    One question re purchasing 13 - it’s vastly more affordable to buy the standard package than the collectors edition, which I want. How simple is it to upgrade from the basic to top of the range and does it work out less expensive than buying collectors edition outright?
    Apologies for the wall of text.
     
  8. Jojo123

    Jojo123 NI Product Owner

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    Hi Lee,
    As I said I'm very new to NI so Im not sure how the whole upgrade process works and Im not sure how the figures stack up so others will be in a better position to comment on that, but if you look around the forum there is quite a bit said about it. Of course each of us must really evaluate how much any purchase is going to be worthwhile for our own situations. So many variables in that choice. If you have time up your sleeve Id strongly recommend just plugging on and keeping up the research. There's a lot to take in. I didn't make my decision lightly and I've had to do many hours on NI site, this forum, and other searching. For me, there's no way around this, its all part of it and there's no shortcuts to be had. Even so, there's always going to be an element of risk no matter what you do.

    My PCs are over 10 years old now and they're still good candidates to be tinkered with if I need to but Im not up with the ideal PC specs for DAWs today. I would suppose for the main components it wouldn't be too different to speccing out a Mac. Always good to get as much RAM as possible but it has to be balanced with other things so you dont cause a bottleneck because you've cut yourself short in other areas. In a way, you're right in that there's less choice if you go for a Mac. Too many choices can be overwhelming. Many of us Mac users with modern machines have to use external drives as unless you own a Mac Pro (with a huge price tag and an abysmal base model SSD) you're basically stuck with what you've got at purchase, whether custom or standard builds. Same deal with RAM except I got one of the last iMacs where you can install it yourself. And we all know Apple charges exhorbitant prices on RAM and larger internal SSDs. All that said, I really love Logic Pro, so I have to work around all that.

    Another thing I'd recommend is do your research about compatibility. This cant be overstated. Once you get your system together, like a sound card, DAW, and Software such as NI etc, always be careful about updating anything.

    I think using your machine for just music is a sound choice. Thats what I do. It minimizes the risk of other things causing issues and if you're not confident with computers thats definitely the way to go.
     
  9. Lee Boyes

    Lee Boyes New Member

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    Thanks for the advice Jojo. I thinks it’s very wise. Like I say I’m probably 12 months off having the cash (several house based ‘musts’ need to happen first) so I’ve plenty of time to keep plugging away on forums/sites such as this.
    Re compatibility the thing I like about the pc/site I linked is that it’s a pc made specially with music production in mind so I wouldn’t be paying for the likes of an unnecessarily powerful graphics card etc, just for a system designed to run the likes of NI K13.
    Cheers
    Lee