Should i quit Ableton Live ?

Hye
i'm a Live user since 2 years.
I like the product,and the Apc40 was a good controller.
"Was" because i sold it recently, because i've bought Maschine mk2.
So now, i'm considering the question of Live.
For me, the Maschine sequencer is "acceptable".
If i quit Live, i will regret all the clips launching, that's evident.
i will also regret the Live instruments and effects.
I will regret the "feeling" of Live.
But if i still work with Ablton Live, it means Maschine will "only" be like a mega instrument.
I will have to make lots of routing (midi and audio) to have my songs composed in Live and Maschine as my main "sound box".
because the vsti implementation is so good in Maschine.
It's wonderful to have the browsers, the vsti gui, driven by the Maschine controllers !
is anybody in the same case ?
Eric

ps: i'm a frenchy, so excuse my bad english !

 

I set up the MegaMaschine template and thought it was pretty cool. i set up a group of 8 instruments in ableton and routed all the audio and MIDI and figured I could automate with maschines sequencer but otherwise just use it as a vst container and use ableton as the main sequencer. what a pain in the ass it all was. I still hate abletons piano roll. I realized today that you can control every aspect of maschines piano roll from the hardware, something i always wanted from a piece of hardware. i hate using the mouse. maschine is a clip launcher of sorts but the patterns dont start and loop arbitrarily. i wish the sequencer was a little "looser" with time signatures and measure lengths per track, but i prefer using it as my primary sequencer over trying to wrap my brainhole around what each sequencer is sequencing. i think ableton will be a good tool to use when performing in order to load up another instance of maschine in the background with a whole track so i can mix it in and keep a set going.

 

I think you should keep live for now and try different ways of integrating them.
There are several ways of doing this and maybe one will click with you...
By the way, your English is way better than my French!:lol:

 

yeah keep at least one DAW for sequencing since maschine is in that field by far inferior to any DAW

 

Well, it's true that, for the moment, i will keep Live.
But i like to have "only main products", i like the idea to do everything in one product.
I don't need specific audio things and i only have one hardware synth (Ymaha Mox6) so i think the Maschine sequencer can be enough for me.
But i've noticed that audio effect are not very good in maschine (reverb for example), i prefer Live's ones.

 

there are even better reverbs, i like the guitar rig reflector very much.
Get a different idea of live if you wish.
Trigger Maschine's scenes from live and create everything in Maschine.
Just see Live as something different from Maschine, see it as a frame for maschine.

 

Why not, i've to see how to do it, that's new for me.
Thanks for your opinions.

 

This is how I do it and feel most comfortable with it
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoT-gzvghG4"]Controlling Maschine Scenes in Ableton | UniqueSquared.com - YouTube[/ame]

There is also another option to trigger the sounds inside live, but I'd rather suggest my method for your philosophy

 

Thanks, i try this evening and let you know...
Bye bye

 

Maschine is now a DAW and in my opinion it never will..at least not to the standard of what a proper DAW should be. Therefore if you produce music I'd stick with Live (or a better DAW) as you'll never achieve the same in Maschine. Maschine is a great tool for what it does, actually an excellent tool...but it's not a DAW

 

Not really. Not much different from launching Maschine's clips.

Nonsense.

 

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So you can achieve the same sound quality and flexibility in mixing, routing for e.g. 32 tracks, using faders properly to mix etc? I am intrigued...

Maybe I am missing something but for me Maschine doesn't even come close to Ableton or Pro Tools (which is fine because IMO it's not mean to do the same job). Maybe for smaller projects one can play around and achieve reasonable results but for a heavy project with 32 tracks+, several AUX submix buses etc I'd doubt it would do any justice on a commercial level.

For drum programming and live performance it's my favourite tool

 

Hye.

So , i 've tested the way to control Maschine scenes from Live.
It works fine but... ;-)
Well, it seems to be limited to scenes, so when you launch a clip, it drives a complete scene and not specific groups.
So , cool to drive a entier song but for working with groups/instruments, not really kind.

I think it's not necessary to run a "war" between professionnal daws like Protools, Cubase, Live, and maschine. ;-)

It's just a question of "use", what you really want to do with it.

For me, my "needs" are limited: i just want to use Maschine because it's fantastic to use vsti and Maschine presets within the controller. As i said previously, i juste have a external synth and don't use it for the moment.

I like to have a simple setup:
For many years, i've used Reason. It was a very good thing, and it was enough for me. But after years, i need some vsti and also to drive external synth. So i've quit Reason, a too much closed thing for me. (and the developpers of Propellerheads are too closed too ! )

Honestly, the Maschine sequencer is simple but seems to be enough for me. but some little limits already noticed: for example, when you want to draw a picth change with the modulator, it's nearly impossible to "draw" a melody.

 

Just saying that a statement like: "if you produce music I'd stick with Live (or a better DAW) as you'll never achieve the same in Maschine." is completely vague and meaningless, not to mention purely subjective.
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You can use step automation for that:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdJh4FMNhNE&t=06m39s"]Dubspot Maschine Tutorial: Automation - Autowrite, Step Automation, Live Sequencing - YouTube[/ame]

 

Whaou, thanks Noiserot for this tips !
I'm gonna check it asap.

As you seems to be very familiar in the use of Maschine, ca you tell me something ?
If i use several groups, with for example several vstis or intrument in each group, i can't (but it must be possible) to broase the sound for the group i'm located in. it always show me the previous one. i d'ont know if my explainations are good...

 

Yes you're right it's subjective...as the whole production process is subjective to the individual. In that sense yes you're right. No we're not starting any war as it's pointless and we're not here to waste time. In terms of capabilities of the a DAW and Maschine it's factual. That's what I was trying to come to. Pointless to compare the capabilities in a general way. For a specific project yes you may use both.

Music is a creative process and the great thing about it, that everyone has it's own way of working. I'd say choose what works for you, suits your creative workflow and produces the result you want. If it's Maschine that's fine if something else that's fine, too.

For my projects Maschine is one key element but very limited to do what I have to do in a DAW. That was all, guess made my point clear

Enjoy whatever works for you

 

Thanks Audiotrip, you're 100% right.

 

First lesson: Ignore noiserot. He's the ultimate fanboy and could not be honest about Maschine's failings if his life depended upon it. Is someone said that Maschine is crap because it can't cook a meal, noiserot would explain how it does do that and that, in a later version, it will attain three Michelin stars.

Live is quirky but vastly more capable than Machine's sequencer. With Live, you have a huge amount of flexibility and access to a level of musicality that Maschine (in its current incarnation at least) cannot hope to match.

Think about it. Maschine is trying its best to be a jack-of-all-trades (as we say in the UK - it means that it's trying to be all things to all people). It's trying to be a sound module, a drum machine, a librarian, a host and a sequencer. Added to this, it has an army of users, many of whom have conflicting wants and needs. Some want vst support and access to complex music programming. To others, this is 'bloat'.

My advice would be to use the tools that are good at what they do. Maschine is a box of compromises. Now, don't get me wrong, a lot of what it does, it does very well, but complex, or even DECENT, sequencing is not one of those things. If you want grown-up sequencing stick with a proper sequencer.

 

nice one, very well put

lol..the only thing it cooks is my processor as it's lacking multicore support Cheers for the advice.. I'll avoid replying in the future

 

First lesson: Ignore schrage musik. He's one of the butthurt Kore owners who's been coming in here to troll ever since Kore was discontinued and bashing Maschine as a "dj toy" (bold emphasis added):

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Anyway, even with all the hype about Live's "flexibility", it can't even do a very basic thing like recording modulation (such as knob tweaks) into pattern clips in session view in realtime.

It's one of the many reasons why Maschine has replaced Live as a production tool for me because I prefer to have a hands-on, mouseless workflow that feels more like playing a hardware instrument.