Simple sampler block

Discussion in 'REAKTOR' started by willieraylewis, Aug 15, 2017.

  1. mpl

    mpl NI Product Owner

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    Ive got the selector going now(needs integrated into the delete/clear all stuff) just needed to think some more.
    looking forward to what you come up with
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    Ultra loop uses 2 voices per sample and switches between the two every time theres a change in settings.Although voice location will complicate matters
     
  2. mpl

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    I tried sequencing it with rapid manik changes to see how it copes,and there are a few clicks but not as bad as i was expecting,see video

    mike
     
  3. Paule

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    Brett and me test this in collaboration on FLOWs. FLOWs slices the samples. We load in via sample map and have 4 snap banks done with Colin's breeder. All are sample empty. If I fill in 20 samples and save two snaps more than 400 meg are needed.
     
  4. Paule

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    Yes Colin, pads in FLOWs it's different on changing samples. But I thought it's terrible! - NO.
    Sometimes it jumps to a new sample start and flow in. No crackles. Different sounding is abrupting the volume and fade in.
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    You Breeder was a true blessing.
     
  5. colB

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    I've never used FLOW, so don't know, but cross-fading is a good way to smooth things over. The cross fades can be very fast, enough to be quite noticeable, but they still remove annoying discontinuity clicks
     
  6. Paule

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    I test some guitar sample loops in FLOWs. No clicks. The abrupted jump down in my example is on fade in pads. If I use tiled loops - no clicks on pads.
     
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  9. ANDREW221231

    ANDREW221231 NI Product Owner

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    colin, your sampler + fairlight samples could get me my spot in a kate bush tribute band if such a thing existed

    one possible cheat to get a decent loop selection is to work in blocks of samples that correspond to the period length of root note. then a knob to fine tune position, and another to fine tune the length. this can knock it out of pitch slightly (more or less depending on loop length), but this way you don't have to worry much about zero crossings because the transition is to somewhere more or less in phase
     
  10. colB

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    I pretty much decided just to leave looping up to the user. If there are loop points embedded in the sample, they should work just fine. If there are no embedded loop points, you would have to add them with an external editor. Otherwise it will just loop the whole sample.

    The point of this was really to have something very simple so use - a real basic sample player. Introducing extra GUI stuff for editing loop points would go against that philosophy (and be lots of work for me).
     
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  11. aboxclaude

    aboxclaude NI Product Owner

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    Hi Colin! Just joining in the discussion here... I think the editing of the loop-points would have been great, but I can live without it. I edit my sample loop points in Wavelab 3 (yes I know it's old) but it makes for perfect loops (when I need them to be). The workflow between your instrument and Ableton is EXACTLY what I had hoped for, so kudos!

    I do have a few questions:

    1) I created an entire ENS / Blocks combo that I am absolutely loving right now for my own productions and would love to share it in the UL if that is ok with you?

    2) Is it OK if I mess with the guts of your instrument to make it more "block-friendly"? I would totally credit you as the creator. I don't need the credit for any of it. I just want to make some mods that maybe I can post as part of the UL when they are ready. I see some holes in the UL for simple samplers in general.

    Cheers,

    Claude S.
     
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  12. aboxclaude

    aboxclaude NI Product Owner

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    Ahhhh!! Forgot the big question!

    Can you somehow implement a monophonic / poly switch? For me, this would be it.
     
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    Mhm - NI Blocks are always mono! Except some experimentals.
    Reaktor at it's output is also always monophonic.
     
  15. aboxclaude

    aboxclaude NI Product Owner

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    Hmm. In the ENS I built, I am able to play stereo files from the Simple Sampler polyphonically... Up to 8 voices. I then used a stereo Filter and all of it ends up in a stereo output. It totally works. I would just like a voice switch to go from 8 to 1.. so I can trigger a sample that cuts itself off (monophonic).. and others which I play as chords.
     
  16. aboxclaude

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    Thanks Paule! Polyphone is nice, but it's not the workflow I want or use. I sample things directly into Ableton Live as an audio track and drag the sample directly into my Reaktor samplers (where all the midi controls, effects racks, etc are ready to go). It's fast!

    I used to use Ableton's Simpler for this.. and made a video to show others how to do it. But I love Reaktor! The machines I'm building are "dream machines" in that they work how I want them to with the least number of mouse clicks. The controls are all hardwired to my Maschine controller and my MS20 controller. So the computer's only job is to record the sample and for me to drag it into the sampler. From there.. Eyes and hands off! :D Now if I could go further I'd sample into the sampler itself. Then I'd be in nirvana.

    Take a look at the Ableton version:



    The machine I've built in Reaktor is everything I've ever wanted. So drum loop chopping, drums etc.. I have plenty of things that do that. But it seems to me that there was a creative live sampler missing. So much so that for a time the only sampler I was using was a toy! The VSS30...



    Soon I will upload the little sampler beast to the UL I've affectionately called "Montreal".

    Claude
     
  17. Paule

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    I don't own Live daw.
     
  18. aboxclaude

    aboxclaude NI Product Owner

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    It is the differences between us all that makes us all the more interesting. :)
     
  19. colB

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    Thanks. Loop point editing would be possible, but a huge amount of work, and never as good as just using Wavelab or Wavosaur or whatever other dedicated editor.
    Yes no problem to share non-commercial ensembles that contain my User library instruments as long as you share them in the User Library.
    This one kind of depends... if its mostly my code with a few edits and a new skin - then I'm not happy about that. But if its mostly re-written with significantly different functionality, then it's probably OK.

    FWIW, I have a Block in development based on Simpler Sampler. This will be Monophonic (obviously) and be more blocks streamlined. With the odd extra feature that's not in the public version of Simple Sampler.
     
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  20. colB

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    I'm not sure about this one. How would you imagine it working? What would it do that you can't do by editing the voice parameters in the instrument properties pane? Would the current sample be abruptly cut and restarted on retrigger (causing clicks and artefacts), or do you imagine some clever coding in there to prevent this issue?

    It's something I would consider for an update, but I'm not sure that the cost/benefit is there. I would need to be convinced :)
     
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