snap to tempo

hi NI!

i would like the following feature: SNAP TO TEMPO

PROBLEM: atm if you want to mix long mixes exactly you must use SYNC MODE. boo..
when mixing with SYNC mode off, it is hard to match the tempo of one deck to the tempo of the next deck with the tempo fader on the S2MKII. ie, one is 121.34BPM and trying to match 121.34 is VERY hard. you might get close 121.32 if you are lucky. the tempo fader is too hard to match and over time they will go out of sync.

CURRENT WORKAROUND:
A. force sync mode on if you want long mixes between records.
B. constantly push the record forward or back with the jog wheel
C. use your computer to try and get it closer

POSSIBLE NEW SOLUTION: SNAP TO TEMPO! yay!
make the tempo fader snap to 1 decimal place or a whole number.
ie, 121.34 would snap to 121 (whole number snap to tempo)
ie, 121.54 would snap to 122.5 (one decimal place snap to tempo)

WHAT THIS IS NOT:
this is not a visual simplification of BPM - the MUSIC would have to snap to the tempo shown

WHY IS THIS GOOD:
because you can match tempos precisely without having to use SYNC mode - mixing without SYNC is cool, but matching the tempo with the fader on the S2MKII is near impossible

ALTERNATE IDEAS: SHIFT - TEMPO = FINE DETAIL TEMPO CONTROL
while i would prefer a SNAP mode- a SHIFT - TEMPO mode would be cool for fine detail, and would also double as an ability to give the fader an ability to reset the 0-point of the fader.

OTHER IDEAS: SNAP TO MASTER TEMPO WHEN CLOSE TO TEMPO
if you get close to the tempo of the playing deck the new deck will snap to the same tempo as the playing deck
ie, master deck is 121.45 - when you mix the next deck in and you are trying to get it close 121.39 then the new deck will snap to 121.45

WHY SHOULD YOU LISTEN TO ME:
i'm a UX designer.

cheers

 

This kinda already exists if you use the MASTER Tempo mode, each deck will sync to the Master tempo.

BUT: I have no problem beatmatching on the S4 without sync.

I see no difference with your suggestion than using sync. The software has done the hard work. The only difference (and I suspect this is your issue) is that the SYNC button is not lit. Do you not want people to see you using SYNC..?

If 'not' using SYNC makes you cool (which it doesn't) then using a hidden syncing feature is just as uncool.
What you are describing is SYNC in all but name, it's just hidden. How would this feature be turned on and off? A button? 'Hidden Sync Button'?

What you are asking Traktor to do is round the BPM up/down on the master deck and then have the slave deck sync to it.
It is sync.

I don't know what a UX Designer is.

Karlos

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hi karlos, thanks for your reply

this does not exist. sync exists, but not snap to tempo.

SYNC = let the computer do the beatmatching and keep them in sync
SNAP TO TEMPO = better control over the speed of the decks / no syncing

just because you don't have trouble doesn't mean other people don't. besides, i have use the S2MKII and i can tell you that the fader doesnt allow granular control over the tempo. if one deck is on 121.34 it is really hard to get it the other deck to land on 121.34 - you may get close with 121.31 or 121.32 if you are lucky. a mix over several minutes will need correction with the jog wheels.

well then you must not understand what i am trying to suggest.

i do not care if people see me use sync. i simply dont want to use sync.

im not hung up on being cool and looking cool without sync. i really dont care what people think of how i mix. i think this may have clouded your judgement on what i am suggesting.

no. that is not what i am suggesting.

i am suggesting the speed of the deck can be rounded up to the nearest .1 or .0 bpm. there is NO SYNC. the decks will not sync. they will not be in sync with this feature.

my suggestion is simply better control over the speed of the deck. no syncing.

A UX designer is a User Experience designer. I study the way people interact with software and design interfaces to make using the software intuitive.

cheers

 

Interesting idea, since the bpm is mappable. It seems like this feature could be mapped to an encoder? Not quite what is described.
Just throwing ideas around!

 

It's already been done, I use a vestax vcm600 and I can fine pitch adjust 0.1 at a time. Use my denon dn sc2000 to get near then a rotary encoder to fine tune pitch exactly.

 

I understand the idea, @RobML - however this is really an edge case.
a) You can use the fine-pitch using an encoder or button to match the BPMs exactly
b) You can use sync to sync the two decks

What you are asking for is something in between.. automatic BPM-matching without syncing.

You may not be the only person in the world with this request, but I just don't believe there is large enough of a demand for this feature for it to be actually addressed.

 

its not beatmatching it's simply rounding up/down the tempo to decimal places.
the software already determines the BPM and diaplays it.
the fader adjust the tempo at some resolution we have no control over.
why cant we have control over the resolution in stepped BPM?
seems an elementary mistake to leave fader resolution uncontrollable.
it would be really simple to implement.
i think it would be an awesome feature - people don't know what they want till it exists - i think if it rolled out everyone would jump on it! guess we won't know till some other software implements it.
cheers

 

I have a hot key set up to sync the track momentarily when I load it. This loads the track and matches the tempo exactly, but does not leave sync turned on. Once I start the track, I beatmatch manually. Maybe this would give you what you're after.

 

I assume this should read "[...], but does not leave sync turned on.

 

Duh, you are correct. Edited the post.