Some official answers regarding KORE 1 and KORE 2

i wonder if someone could help me out with a couple of things, without telling me off for not reading the whole forum first as i expect the answers are in there somewhere.

1) If i buy the KORE 1 and KOMPLETE 4 package with free upgrade to KORE 2, do i get a hardware KORE 2 controller in my upgrade?

2) If I do some work on an ableton set on my laptop using KORE and then play the set live without plugging in the KORE controller, will the KORE software still work. I ask because there isn't really room in our live setup for another controller, especially not one without standard midi functionality, but in rehearsals the controller would be pretty useful to speed things up.

 

1. No
2. Yes

Cheers

Andy

 

cheers for the quick reply! obvious follow up question: when it comes out, can i buy the KORE 2 controller on its own, without the software, for a discount?

 

Hi,

I would think they might But I do not know for sure.

From what I can see the new hardware is a cut down version anyway, I don't know if it will offer any advantages over the current hardware (apart from being cheaper to make for NI!)

Cheers

Andy

 

Is it possible with Kore 2 to load several performance, so that you don't need 30-60secs switching between performances if you have big samplers like Akoustik Piano. I think this is an very important issue concerning the life-performing abilities of Kore. I think with 2GB Ram you almost could load one songset (4-5 songs).

 

Since KORE 2 release has been delayed NI should post an interim fix of KORE 1 that corrects it's inability to load fxb/p patches and brings it in line with minimal VST host standards. I was banking on KORE 2 being out by now but regardless of this, it's not really acceptable that people should have to pay for such a basic fix anyway.

 

+1

 

No, NI needs to put all of their developers on the real solution, which is Kore2. Putting a band-aid on Kore1, a program that will be obsolete in a couple months, is a waste of human effort.

 

I would guess that many of those who paid a lot of money for a setup that fails to live up to their reasonable expectations would be rather less sanguine about their purchase being discontinued in a less than satisfactory state. I guess there are people out there for whom Kore was a very sizeable investment and who feel rather let down by NI's failure to fix Kore 1 before going on to Kore 2.

I've stated more than once in other posts that I'm reasonably happy with what Kore 1 does - not exstatic I might add, my hopes were far higher - and I can't wait to get my hands on Kore 2 but I well remember a time when a let down from an investment of that size would have REALLY hurt.

We need to remember that NI is kept alive by hobbyists and enthusiasts as well as professionals and, while a pro might be able to justify upgrading a product until it works, others might not (and, of course, pro's might well decide they can't afford the time to take part in an expensive beta test and ditch the thing anyway).

I live in hope for Kore 2 but my faith in NI is, shall we say, not all that it could be.

 

Yes but it will be a paid for update. I will probably buy it because I also want the other features but not everyone will wish to update and there are some things such as this that should be fixed now (and should have been in the app from day one).

 

Er...It's usually NOT the developers that fail in these things, it's the Project Manager/Architect,Design engineer, Manager or above that drop the ball. Someone should have seen the red flags from a project point of view long before KORE 1 came out. Throwing more devs on a poor design will usually not fix this kind of problem.

KORE 1 was obsolete for me the day it came out, I just didn't realize it until six months later. KORE 2 looks better from the ad copy presented so far but, we won't really know until it hits the streets.

 

I have issues with Kore in general. Go read previous posts.

Peter.

 

NI has a track record of buggy software (though I think they've been doing a little better as of late). If a person can't afford major version upgrades (I include myself in this impoverished category), then they should avoid software or hardware purchases until the gear has been thoroughly examined by other consumers. I waited several months before buying Kore1, finally making the purchase when the Komplete upgrade offer came. But I also factored in the user comments at the time, looking at whether people were happy with the device.

If you don't want to be part of a beta test, don't buy a version one product. Actually, don't buy any version of a product until you've seen other people's success with it first.

...
Developers are the key to getting a good project out the door, when the major limitation is time. A bad project manager can screw it all up, but as long as the specs are solid then the work falls to developers. They need many months, sometimes years, to code those specs into a working program. The fewer developers on a project, the more corners have to be cut to make the deadline, the more bugs will show in the final product. The possible exception to this is with single-developer projects, where the programmer is so intimate with the code they can move faster without worrying about what other developers have injected elsewhere in the program.

 

HI,

I have to disagree with some of this. I have worked in Software development for over 20 years and have found that the more Developers there are on a project the more buggy it will be and the longer it takes to bring to a bug free status.

A small group of 3-5 very good developers can usually outperform much larger teams even working on very large systems.

The important thing is to have "very good developers", most developers are pretty bad if the truth be known, of the many hundreds I have worked with I would class probably less than 10 as being very good.

Cheers

Andy

 

In my opinion and experience you pretty much have it all wrong in regards to software development and what should be expected from a company like NI. Software development methodology is probably beyond the scope of this forum but something NI should definitely be studying as they grow. Also, "First Time Right" should always be demanded from a company expecting you to buy their products, unless they give unconditional refunds for six months or so like Costco here in the US.

However you have good advice on how we as "Business Partners" of NI should proceed with any of their new products going forward.

Regards,

C

 

I've been a computer programmer for the last 15 years, so I doubt I have it "all wrong" in regards to software development.

 

If you find more bugs on projects where you're using more programmers, then you might be seeing the results of increased complexity of the project since usually only big projects bring in big numbers of programmers. Having only a couple programmers is going to bottleneck the development process because they can only type so many lines per hour. So to finish the same project as a large team the smaller team has to have a more distant deadline. With all that extra time, testers have more opportunity to find bugs before release. That's probably why smaller development teams give the illusion of putting out less buggy code. But if the small development team is forced to work within the same time limits as the big team, and each team has programmers of equal ability, then the development team with more programmers will have better results at the end of that period.

Skill is important though, so if the choice is between a few good programmers and a mountain of bad ones, then I would go with the few good ones to turn out a better product.

 

when can i buy the kore 2 and software?
i dont see in in the online shop.
also how much is it for me? i own kore 1 and komplete 4
i got an upgrade from komplete 3
thanks

 

It won't be in the shop until it's released. My guess would be October at the earliest.

As for the pricing, Thomas removed the thread with the upgrade details (don't ask me why). I don't have a copy here; I'll ask him to put one up again.

ew

 

The upgrade from Kore 1 was announced as $59 for the software update (if you have Komplete) - the original post is gone (I hope that doesn't mean it's going to change) but it is referred to several times in the thread below it.