Something is going wrong for NI

if maschine stayed exactly as it is forever it would still be part of my setup.


dunno why I shared that


Im also overweight

 

Can't you just stick with a version you like?

 

With NI it seems to be always like this. They release something new. All these creative musicians pick the idea up. Make wonderful stuff with it. Then the very same musicians come up with additional ideas to the product. Instead of developing them in, to even increase the usability of the product NI starts to put their own visions above the customer wishes. From there, the software usually goes downwards.

Lets take Maschine as example. They came up with a very nice hardware/software integration thingy. But what we musicians took from it, was a very new and fresh approach to create electronic music (not just beats).
From there were 2 possible ways to expand this idea. Either go full DAW with audio files etc. Or go full integration in existing DAWs. They actually choose to ignore both possible paths. Even decreasing DAW integration by destroying midi implementation, etc.

Listen NI. If you dont trust our assesment on how to improve your software, why would we trust you with developing the things the way we like it? Right, we sadly dont (anymore).

 

the new electribe is far from perfect. like everything else it has limitations. still, i find myself enjoying it much more than i enjoy maschine. so i ask myself why the electribe quirks and limitations don't bother so much and i honestly think it's because the electribe was only $399. my expectations are much lower. maschine studio is so overpriced it's ridiculous. shame on me for buying it before trying it. i was so happy with the mk2 and 1.8 software that i assumed 2.0 and studio were going to be a better experience. big mistake.

 

runs steady for me.
I thought Kore was a good product with NI expanding its capability until they shifted gears moving to Maschine. I'd say these are all tools and means (and reasonably good) to the ultimate end which you have to figure out.

 

I think you're right Spazoo .i keep happy with my MKI , because i didn't fail in the trap to buy studio too early , even MKII wich is nice But i wont spend 500 more euros for color pads .
i wait a maschine that permit to whrite beat and complete tunes from A to Z , so i wait maschine to become a DAW . ... otherwise i got what i need with MKI ...

Anyway this Musicwhritingthing will be done one day so you can be the builder ,...or not .

 

very smart.

 

Maschine Studio was my first N.I product.. so I am good

 

i like hardware i can link to a daw and save the settings with a project, or at the least, be able to save the presets on the hardware and then add that to the DAW track name for reference. until recently, analog did not have this capacity, but still mostly lacks a "plug-in" state except a few devices. non-analog hardware now is just software run on a simple proprietary OS hosted in a very basic computer, not really any different than using a standard all purpose computer.

i think most people would have liked to have seen kore 2 fused into maschine in m2, which would have added a great browser, morphing, and more advanced effect layering. there was already a framework for this. it is creating instruments for the "demo" players that seems to be the main problem. the most original products in a while: rounds, poly, and molecular should have been just independent instruments and effects. thank goodness Replika was not a bloatware reaktor ensemble taking up a core just for a simple coloured delay.. the problem with hosting everything to be in full or players is it adds another layer to the process and only works in logic if they are indeed standalone providing the needed environment; as hosted, it lacks efficiently. i mean i think reaktor and kontakt are great, but they are supposed to be a method to build a modular synth or effect, or a sampler, respectively, not bloated into hosts only to be hosted. imo, it would only make sense in the case of the reaktor ensemble over independent vst/au plug-ins if reaktor had the ability like kontakt to have multiple instances with midi routing to each and/or there was a hardware brain. the simple solution would be to provide a reaktor ensemble and vst/au versions of the ins/effects that installed per preference, so it can be used hosted or as a standalone most efficiently, and to make a reaktor brain, whether in a synth or in a linked rack/desktop box. creating a reaktor hardware solution also adds the ability to have analog circuitry controlled by digital functions within a reaktor ensemble.... the future should learn from the past and embrace that in the present

in some ways you can see maschine becoming bloated into a DAW, but at the same time, you already have battery to fill in for a drum machine, so adding features to maschine as an extended groove solution does work. i think the approach should be more modular like the way updates to cubase are done, where you can remove, hide, parts and as well creates a stable core that is backwards and forward compatible.

 

I remember looking at Kore when it came out but had little understanding of it. I just new I wish I had it but wasn't ready to pay the price then when I was I saw it was no longer really supported and out came maschine, in my mind at the time it made more sense, keeping in mind I knew little to nothing of either. I wound up with maschine and unlike a lot of people I had never worked with drum maschine or samplers so it was all new and I had no expectations. Still don't really as I am still very very basic on maschine. The way it works is just a challenge for me to grasp yet. Slowly it is coming along and I have fun with it if I didn't I would have given up on it a long time ago. NI I understand where the more advanced and pro users are coming from and i really think you need to take it to heart what the are saying, but please always keep it fun, when it becomes to much work you will see the migration happen in mere months, to something else, it always seems the biggest complaint is it is to much work or to hard to work with a bit more flexibility will keep many more people loyal. Please find a way to include audio tracks, go back to a better tag-able browser system for everything, more comprehensive class compliant midi implementation and the list goes on but force nothing leave us to turn functions we want on and off or use or not use as we desire. Thanks!

 

+1 Tag-able browser. Jesus WEPT

 

kore 2 borwser... fully editable and user definable...

 

Sexy!

 

i think the top of m2 should have been tabbed with the tabs being, browser, mixer, groups on top. this would have allowed the bottom sequencer to be a larger area. to add from the browser and load a group, you would just need to have selected that group, have both tabs visible which would spit the window, or via a contextual menu add to/group/A. since when in the browser, you usually only load to the group slots and and do not to see the rest...

optional to preserve the vending machine type browser, an extender browser that opens in the mixer are that is like the kore one and set to open the same way the mixer does.. when you close the vending machine browser, the extended browser would be right there giving full horizontal access for extended selection options.

 

PLus on my screen there's a ton of space below the plugin interfaces, they could use that space aswell instead of going left>right ten times the width of my screen. So instead of:

1 2 3 4

This:
1 3
2 4

Depends on screen size obv.

 

or

pictured mini side browser | group - mixer - extended browser (no pictures)
------------------------------------| sequencer

 

yeah maybe

 

having it like that would make it easy to load groups or select by factory packs for that but when the side browser is hidden and the extended one in full view, it gives a bit a space for defining the samples which there are quite a bit of over groups and it would be right above the sounds slots... the problem with the browser it is fine for groups but not definable, as well as not tagable, enough for samples since there are sometimes tens of thousands of them...

 

m2 needs a "media" center, perhaps rather than make a second browser or eliminate the existing one, add a "media center" organizer that opens with a selection like the mixer, keeping the pictured images in the original side one, for hardware reference and quick loading of groups, and put the focus of the "media center" being organization of the user preference, be it factory, user material, effect presets.. sounds.. etc... this would build a new data base that would not touch the existing factory one that is preserved in the "quick" pictured browser and permit a large screen view browser for painless tagging. and the option of subtractive or additive selection. currently it is additive so making multiple selections makes it even harder to find a sound that has all selected attributes, not just one.. which perhaps is a way to torment the user..

the other needed one is the midi being overhauled so it is easier to set it up so a sequence from a DAW will play a group with ease as well as other routings... though once you set up a "template" for it, it is easy.. perhaps they need to include template files in the next update and the capacity to handle them.. a DAW mode preference is really needed to change the way m2 handles midi when hosted.