Something new NAMM 2019

Akai has like 20 videos out about Force but none show an arranger... Did I miss it? This is what I am more curious about.

 

I think they hold the information back by purpose. So every few days some new "leaks" about it keeps the hype.

Uwe

 

I saw this at NAMM, supposed to be some kind of fancy type of recorder, saturator multi effect type device. Apparently if you record your 808s really loud on it, it sounds fat as hell. It doesn't clip. It can also do delay and flanging. I'm really excited about this, guys! #GAMECHANGER!!!

 

OK I will take one and the plugin version too.

Uwe

 

I've also seen that, but here

https://dnamusiclabs.com/gear/ampex-354

René

 

"performance-driven device" = Manual song mode ?

 

This has NI for a long time.
And it's called REAKTOR.

René

 

No Song mode yet. Apparently they're going to make a new Song mode for both MPC and Force, MPC keeps it's original song mode as well.
I'm just pissed it's a "version" of the MPC software it runs, hate that sort of compartmentalizing. It apparently isn't going to run as a VSTi on the computer either. So AKAI are going full stupid and running two sequencer/DAWs whatever, with the same code base. Sounds like a lot of extra work for nothing.

 

If I was buying a DAW today though, that would be about a thousand times more appealing than running a VSTi that breaks compatibility with older songs every time a significant upgrade comes along. Think about it, if Bitwig are in business 15 years from now it's very very likely that your 15 year old song with Grid ensembles in it just opens up no problem. Try that with Reaktor.

This is one of the benefits of Logic's huge collection of instruments, constant backwards compatibility you really only get out of VSTs if you flatten all tracks to audio, import successfully presets etc. etc.

 

Nice assumption, but if bitwig hits another road next year, the same can happen as with a reactor.

René

 

You're missing the point, unless Bitwig goes under, Grid will be compatible with future updates to the OS your computer runs on period.
The same as how Logic ES 2 synths patches work fifteen years later. Compare that to Reaktor Patches in a song from 2003. Baring a lot of housecleaning, It's simply not going to load.

Any software company can go under, but it's clear that NI feel an upgrade to Reaktor requires you to either keep an older version of Reaktor on your computer, or go through all your songs and replace Reaktor 5 with 6. This is a hell of a lot more housecleaning than an embedded instrument.

Plenty of solid arguments for VST/AU/AAX plug ins, being able to open up a song you worked on 5 years ago in the latest computer with the latest version of your OS is not one of them.

 

...said the Mac user.

 

Wise decision. I´ve bought a Jam when it came out because of false promises made by NI and now it is collectiing dust.
A Push with a KK Mk2 is much more useful than all those Maschine controlllers together.

 

Got to say it and it hurts but the Force is going to get my money and Maschine is going to take a soft and comfy back seat, even further back than it already has since i got my OT a few years ago. I will end up using it solely as midi controller I expect.

I am a groovebox lover since the raveolution 309 came out and have had them all pretty much, the Force is clearly by far the best equipped groovebox i have ever seen, the features are staggering - what a great standalone machine that will be.

I have never used ABLETON nor ever will and that side is of no interest to me, Cubase since 97.

 

"the features are staggering - what a great standalone machine that will be."

...i don't understand why people accept using only dedicated/built in synths/fx plugins just to be able to work standalone...

 

yeah, except the modulation in Bitwig is across the entire software. Completely diferent concept. Reaktor is self contained, and you can't even output MIDI to other VSTs (let alone any other parameter) in Maschine. Not possible.

 

huh? I said that?

i say features and you hear plugin?

BTW so you CAN understand something about me with no ambiguity, i am a maschine user since april 09 - reaktor since generator days - i am not a standalone freak

 

i have never tried to output to a VST but i output to the real world a lot, are you sure you cannot route to a vst?

 

If you are running REAKTOR inside Maschine, no you can't. If you are running as standalone, yes, using a virtual midi cable. And that's my point. Modulation in bitwig is part of the software.

 

"BTW so you CAN understand something about me with no ambiguity, i am a maschine user since april 09 - reaktor since generator days - i am not a standalone frea"

...my comment wasn't aimed at you specificially...it's just you brought up the features list and imo the biggest difference between the force and push2 is force's standalone ability...so if you're after an ableton style workflow imo push2 is still the controller to get...way cheaper and more flexible in terms of using plugins...