Something new NAMM 2019

The point is inevitable software and hardware changes to your computer set up will eventually render older songs useless.
Not to mention the well over a dozen FX and soft synths that have fallen to the wayside.
It's the trade off, I have an old Memorymoog. Had it since I was a kid, so it's been through over a dozen computers. It loads old patches just fine.

I'm not at all arguing which is better, but an obvious advantage of hardware is you'll never have to worry about updating older songs because something changed in OSX or Windows, or you switched DAWs and now that embedded plug in is no longer available, or the manufacturer considers every point upgrade a "new" machine.

I think we all know the advantages of software, it's pretty freaking amazing really.

 

Sorry!
Yeah, I feel bad a bit, but I am pretty disappointed AKAI are being so oddly narrow minded about the Force. It's basically another MPC with different controls on the surface and what seems to be different access to the MPC software, both internally and on the computer. It's pretty cool for what it is, it just flatly fills no actual place in someone like me's setup, owning Push 2, Live Suite 10, MPC Live, etc. Which is weird, I should be the audience for it, I like the MPC and wish it did more Live Session View type stuff, but what they've done as far as what we know now is give it it's own version of the MPC software designed to mimic Ableton Live. Even the initial workflow with Live is backwards, it's going to be able to send Sets to Live, but the only access to the computer so far is through thumb drives from what they're saying. So you can't prepare a Set in Ableton, do some housework, print the whole thing to audio loops etc. and have the Force grab that. It can't read MPC Sequences, but it will be able to load Kits, and Programs etc.

It's just, weird, so much possibility for stand alone projects to be it's thing, but obviously to anyone owning Ableton Live, the power as far as creation is all on the computer. So yes somehow reading Ableton Live Sets, and getting your customers to understand how to prepare a Set for transfer to the Force would be a lot of work, but it would help to justify the whole ecosystem they're setting up here.

All I can hope for is Clips in MPC Live become a lot better, which honestly for my needs would be enough, it's one of the reasons why I'm disappointed they seem to think sandboxing off code on the Force is a good idea, indicates they'll do the same to the MPC in terms of Clips etc..

 

With the next integration of sounds.com within maschine we could see a new type of maschine controller with integrated wifi management ...
Note, it can still do the same with the usb cable

 

Where? I haz questions to add to the bombardment

 

He’s normally on GS. I’ve seen him most active in the almost 500 page long MPC Live thread under Electronic Music Instruments and Electronic Music Production sub forum. He goes under xparis001.


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This grind to Maschine 3.0 has been worst than grinding for 99 overall in NBA 2K19.

 

Dan had said that the two will converge at some point so I’m not sure where you are getting that from.

I’m mean give them a minute man they haven’t even the released the thing and it still in the works. They have plans for it just like they do for the MPC Live and Dan is nice enough to go out of his way to answer questions where most companies wouldn’t say snot until the product is either out or officially announced in NAMM.

The Force is not going to be good out of the gate, that takes time. From what I’m getting from Dan it seems like the MPC workflow we currently have is getting replaced and modernized a bit and the Force is the first step in that direction. He indicated that MPC 3.0 will be moving away from the legacy workflow (Song Mode will be replaced with an Arrange mode that both Force and MPC will use etc). He also indicated that when the MPC 3.0 software gets released the Force should work with it.

 

Haha!!! That’s real

 

Man, it's crazy. Maschine is at 75 overall right now with no VC and AKAI it is looking like a 93 Overall Lockdown defender with boots on shooting and rebounding.

 

That's cool. It seems like Akai is moving towards "performance recording" and the clip based approach is a central part of it. Basically the same type of thing some of us have been requesting from NI for the last 5 years.

 

Maybe it’s just me.. but I don’t see the big deal about the Force. It’s 2019 for F**k sake, who on earth *doesnt* actually have a laptop?! The thing humongous, heavy and UAF. Oh and don’t forget that cost like a decent laptop + Maschine+and some quality plug ins.

To “top it off” I can’t run all of my existing vsts, Komplete and most importantly I can’t use my UAD plug ins with it.

Oh and please Akai, for the love of god, stop marketing the Force for DJs.. Nobody in the right mind would want to lug that thing around airports, hotels, clubs.. Let alone try to “squeeze it in” a busy DJ booth, between CDJs, a mixer and a couple of turntables!

Finally, with only 2 stereo outputs, Akai is seriously limiting the scope and usability of the product.

Don’t get me wrong.. when you guys need to bash NI for not keeping promises and release a minigfull update in years I’m all for it.. But this time Akai get the cake!

Seriously, don’t believe the hype. Contrary to popular belief it ain’t the best thing after p***y

 

Kinda sucks for that amount of money you can't run your go to plug ins like Komplete, Omnisphere, UAD. As for DJing, I agree who would take that lol. At least something that big. No room for that in the booth. I don't take my 1200's out the crib for gigs, but rather use something more portable. Use to take my D2's and the Z2. I see more in the studio with this, but then again from none of the videos has really shown imo how I'm going to arrange my songs with it and finish my beats. We've been on the MPC software hype train before and guess where that led us lol. The hardware for force looks solid.

 

I don’t know. Where did that lead us too?




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Hype man lol. He did disappear when the mpc software was having major issues months and months ago. I like Andy’s mpc demonstrations.

 

Actually he said they will both use the MPC3 Software, but MPC3 software on the computer is not going to be Forces focus, that's going to be Ableton Live.

There are a few other things like that, that point to them sandboxing off portions of the MPC3 OS for either. The indication is the Force is not going to be able to read Sequences, maybe never, and conversely it's very possible that the MPCs will not be able to fire Scenes. We have to wait until 3.0 comes out and we can get ahold of the manuals for both machines before we find these things out. Dan seem like a nice guy, but I don't mind hammering him over these things, from what we know he's high enough up in the MPC development department to actually make a difference, and if they want to move the product to those of us with Push 2 and MPC live/X etc. they need to think about what they're doing in terms of integration, not just bean counting.

There aren't any good excuses for arbitrarily keeping features specific to separate machines beyond greed.
I've got this fan developed amazing piece of software for giving Reaper access to Push 2 and a Live like workflow, they guy isn't even being paid and knocked it out of the park with this. check it out, no excuses can be given, period.

 

The nI audio interfaces looked good. One thing suprised me is that Motu added a clip view aka ableton session view. Didn’t see that coming. Waiting to see what Izotope brings.

 

Yeah that shocked me too, in a good way though. My awful workflow has been start something in Live, get pissed because it's a CPU pig and MIDI editing sucks in it, laboriously move MIDI, plug ins and audio files over to Digital Performer, finish song, print out audio, then move audio back to Live to be launched as Scenes in Push 2 etc. I can write in DP completely for the songs that require it now. It's funny though, Live is kind of being superseded by dinosaur DAWs in Reaper and DP10, and by members of it's development team in Bitwig. What they mostly still have is super tight controller integration, but seeing what a guy did for free for Reaper and Bitwig with Push 2 should put some fire up their you know whats!

 

I'm making a guess here that I joined the MPC train at the right time, because I'm much happier for the most part using it over Maschine and you seem to have had the opposite experience? I saw a video from 2016 where Dan was mentioning MPCs getting side chain like the Mother Ducker, so that was a long time coming for sure, but the new update schedule is looking like every 3-4 months. 2.3 added three synths, and 2.4 is dropping with the Mother Ducker (side chain) and a couple dozen Air FX, as well as improved Clip launching in the next couple weeks. Past that an improved Mixer, a whole new Song mode, Multi MIDI inputs, and PDC are projected. Like the freaking Ableton and NI vet that I am though, I'm not counting on those until I see the update download announcement in my email folder.

 

"A members-only plugfest to test compatibility between some early MIDI 2.0 prototypes is planned for Winter NAMM 2019. Participating companies include Ableton/Cycling '74, Art+Logic, Bome Software, Google, imitone, Native Instruments, Roland, ROLI, Steinberg, TouchKeys, and Yamaha."
https://www.kvraudio.com/news/the-m...stry-amei-announce-midi-2-0-prototyping-44082

I wonder if midi 2.0 will be in Maschine 3.0?