Still Can't Save a Kontakt Multi inside Komplete Kontrol as A Preset?

NI seriously, this is getting so old.. All I want to do is load my own custom Multi's that I use in Kontakt, and save them as a Preset inside of Komplete Kontrol,so I can browse and load them from KK, but noooooo...
since we still can't use Multi instrument Vst's can you at least get your own software to at least be able to offer this as an option!!! PLEASE!

What makes this even worse is that any of our DAWs Preset systems work fine, by saving the Kontakt Multi within Komplete Kontrol zero issues, yet, you guys at NI just simply refuse after 7 years to just add this as a feature, at the bare minimum.. I mean cmon, how is this Komplete Kontrol over anything?? Sick to my stomach with the lack of development here, yet a new sample pack each week or so.. ;(

 

Hi there. Simply change KK default view to Kontakt (edit) view and then you can save your multi's in Kontakt as always. Best of both worlds. As I see it, KK was not created to replace Kontakt but rather it was intended to shore up Kontakt's one glaring weakness which is the inability to audition presets without having to load the instruments. And it does that marvelously.

 

No you're not understanding my point here, you don't even understand what I'm saying here!
I'm trying to save the Preset within Komplete Kontrol, Not Kontakt, Kontakt already has the Multi working fine! The minute you try to save two or more instruments in Kontakt, it's considered a Multi! RE-READ the post my friend.. NI knows exactly what the problem is here.. I'm trying to save a Kontakt Multi as a Preset within Komplete Kontrol! It will not work, yet in any other daw, I can save this within my daws preset system.. It makes no sense at all, to purposely cripple the software!

 

I don't create my own sample libraries in Kontakt, so I may be going out on a stretch here.
If you save your preset in a DAW, will that preset show up in Kontakt itself, or in the DAW only?
I was thinking if there was a way to save a preset outside of Komplete Kontrol, then you might be able to load it in afterwards.

 

You can save a Kontakt multi “.NKM, but those do not show as presets in KK and once loaded through the manual method of opening Kontakt in KK and loading the multi, there is no way to save that as a one click preset that shows in the KK Browser... which is what the OP is talking about.

 

Prob the reason it cannot be saved is because NI know it's useless within KK. I don't think we will ever see proper multi-layered support no matter how many times it's demanded, it's just not the focus.

 

Which begs to ask the biggest unanswered question for years now..Or the huge elephant standing in the room, wearing a Kore 2 bright RED t-shirt! Why would a company who had success with Kore destroy such excellent programming, to then kill it off, with a much more expensive midi controller, with none of the more advanced features, like advanced midi and multi-timbral options. To say NI has no focus on this feature, is a sharp reminder of how much creativity within programming they've lost over the years, and the lack of interest they have in customer feature requests,this isn't a new request at all,in fact many users left because NI wouldn't even compete with Akai. I chose NI's Komplete Kontrol over the advance obviously, but never would have thought, they'd take this long to add multi-instrument support.

Why would anyone who could have the option to layer instruments,efx,advanced midi scripting not want to do this?

 

Well I for one personally dialled back complexity of productions years ago and use a DAW and separated grouped tracks for these types of things... The problem is many plugins and even effects these days are becoming massive in their demands for resources and DAWs have been designed to spread things out over cores. The problem when loading up 8 layers of instruments and 63 effects in a single instance of a plugin is things don't work and then you get the kids that will then complain that they have no issue loading up 250 tracks of serum but find it insane Kk cannot load and run only 8 layers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That may not be the reason, they may have plans to include layers down the road, I have no clue, I just work with what I can make work. I have used toolboxes that allow multiple VSTs and effects to be loaded within a single instance and have had issues of some kind or another.

I used Akai Advance for a month before I returned it and went for KK and I had issues with using their multi-instrument causing major CPU spikes and issues. Hell, I remember having some issues using 10 layers of heavy libraries in just Kontakt in Live but when I broke these out over separate tracks I was able to add another 10 tracks without a single issue. Given how the CPU resources are used it makes sense and I use layering only when I really feel it is needed.

 

I for one think that NI is on the right track. They were at a fork in in the road with Komplete Kontrol development and I can imagine that they decided to prioritize advanced keyboard integration over full support of multiple instrument layers and so instead they allowed Kontakt to have full functionality within KK which would presumably satisfy most power users.

I must admit that it is soooo much easier and more reliable to just have a single instrument instance loaded on each track since I never have to worry about integration features being broken in some way or another. This is in stark contrast to the amount of fiddling required to set up a multi-instance with not quite full functionality as compared to a single instance and so it begs the question, why bother?

Also, I have only 32gb of RAM and I almost never run out of system memory and many users on this forum have 64. With either under the hood, I imagine we could all "single instance" to our hearts content without stressing about RAM. When Kontakt was created, the average user likely had 4 or 8gb of RAM and so reducing load was much more of a concern.

All that said, Komplete Kontrol could sure use a refresh and NI sure as hell should consider adding the most sought after feature requests from the user base like any decent software company would! And it is LONG OVERDUE indeed!

 

So should instruments not be able to have midi fx, insert chain fx?
You wrote "they allowed Kontakt to have full functionality within KK which would presumably satisfy most power users."

What power users don't use Multi layered instruments? What advanced features does Kk allow Kontakt users to control? We can't do much from the hardware under the hood, without going into Kontakt itself.. And if that's the case, why not allow customers to save EVERYTHING WE CHOOSE TO then recall later, like Multi instruments saved under a preset system?? I for one, would be fine loading a kk / Kontakt multi as a preset, after all its still a preset in terms of how any Daw will recall it.. Get it?

Also, I use daws and have for over 20 years,I don't see the point of that argument at all.. The instrument is the instrument, and the power of my daw should be left to editing, tracking audio, not be the only answer to my instruments lack of routing..
Should a Yamaha Motif only be able play one instrument at a time, if it's in a Daw? Mono synths, yes, but a league of NI sounds, should be able to be layered..

And if none of the above makes sense to you, why did they ever Create, arguably the best software host ever made with Kore 2?
Did the need to layer instruments, efx, midi efx, suddenly go away, because you choose a more basic stripped down way to work?
I believe you use Ableton, which seems great for alot of things like this, but many of us use different daws, without so many features as Ableton has.
I don't think I should be forced to buying a daw like Ableton, which Im not fond of, because it lacks so many other major features, or different workflow from Pro Tools etc.. imo..

Thanks for the replys guys, I'm simply trying to make a statement, that many of us are not happy with the current version of Kk and lack of multi instrument support.

 

So what were you doing before KK with multis?

I get you are mad, upset, angry... all you post is that sentiment because you feel it should be offering something to cater for you. While I understand your argument, fact is if you really need to use Kontakt with layers, use it as it’s always been used, outside KK. it can still be done. KK isn’t Kore. There are probably many reasons why kore failed. If KK ever does get multis that would be welcomed but since it does not support it, just do things how you use to or sell KK and get an Akai as that does what you ask. I’m certainly not rallying for the feature in every thread.

 

Before Komplete Kontrol, I was a Kore 2 customer. Feel free to let these posts pass you by if you'd like, as they aren't meant for you to try and justify any more responses. I'm going to say what I feel as a customer, despite how anyone feels.
I say this with respect, as I'm also a customer of your products, but if I feel something can be better, trust that I will, everytime./ doesn't mean they (NI) you or anyone will GIVE A DAMN, but I'll try my best to bring it to the forefront for those people that feel the same way as I do, I know plenty of professional peers, who don't get NI's logic here.

 

Yeah that would explain the frustration and I can certainly sympathise. I'm all for the feature if possible but it's not looking like something that will happen any time soon, I just don't think that is the focus at the moment and way before that they need to sort this issue with not even being able to save an instrument + FX chain... That has been on the table for 3 years now.

Also like I mentioned, keep in mind that the demands on systems with VSTs are a lot more than they were 10+ years ago. While it may have been possible to load a ton of FX and instruments into a single instance when people ran powerful dual core systems now we have moderate cores but many of them and when it comes to DAWs, they have had to keep pace by spreading the workload over cores which normally means assigning a core/thread to a track/s. So what would work 10 years ago with large multis may struggle nowadays because of how things have changed in architecture and that means we have to adapt as well. This is why in some cases, Maschine will struggle to work well if a large set is used on a single DAW track and many people just don't bother.

 

Thanks again for the reply's, my fingers are crossed, they find a way to eventually figure out a better option vs nothing.
Until then Unify and the actual creator of Kore 2 has created Freestyle, I'm hoping he continues to develop it and find new ways for it to integrate within Komplete Kontrol even better.

 

I have an answer for you. Use Unify by PluginGuru. https://www.pluginguru.com/products/unify-standard/ Unify can be hosted by Komplete Kontrol. In Unify you can create a multi in Kontakt. That multi can when be saved in Komplete.

 

I own that ,as well as New Sonic Arts Freestyle, which I prefer over skippys app. Though, it's still far removed from what NI should implement here on their own. Thanks though

 

I know this is an old thread but… Komplete Kontrol software and hardware user here. I’m a heavy Omnisphere user and I create and save Omnisphere multis as Komplete Kontrol files no problem. I can then use my keyboard to browse my Omni Multis. So essentially Omni works BETTER within KK than their own software. Not a good look for NI.