Such a waste!

Yes I mean disconinuing the fine B42 !

I have a NOrd and a KeyB but its the NI I turn too - its quality.

 

Sad but true... DISCONTIUED! I'm lucky enough to own a copy.

 

Cant see why you cant reprint a few disks...

 

This is indeed very sad. Thankfully, I also own a copy because of Komplete 5. Sadly, NI did the same with Spektral Delay and Vokator.

 

Year... I don't know who of NI decide to smash the fine B4-II from the stage!

Every serious technican knows, that Sampels are very uggly for imitating Organs!

The reason is, that different Sampels start at different points in the Waveform.

The 57 Drawbar Organ is a Sampler! And, by the site, it's not working on my new and fine PowerMac G5 Dual.

 

ppl, no body needs b4 anymore, NI vintage organs is the key!

i knew they would do this LOL

it was just waiting to happen

im so glad i didnt get b4...

now i can leave that job up to my nord

thankyou NI!

 

Wow, I'm just STUNNED.

WTF is wrong with Native Instruments? There as absolutely nothing else like B4. Have they lost their minds?
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I came here hoping to find a solution for a problem:

I am running B4 II in reaper, and recently switched to Win7-64 bit. I was having horrible, occasional explosions & full-level noise on my master bus. It turns out to be caused by B4. Absolutely no question about it.

I'm running the 2.041 update, and had hoped there was a newer version.

Good Lord, this is absurd.
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NI will never get another dollar from me. The B4 was the only VSTi in the package that was truly irreplacable.

Screw 'em. If I need Kontakt, I'll find a crack.

 

B4II has a stunning reputation and I am glad I have a copy, but it does have some short-comings. The overdrive and Leslie are mediocre to say the least. On the up-side it has lots of great Presets, and the layout is nice. There are other modelled, non-sampled, alternatives, e.g. GSi VB3. That has equal pure sound, midi learn, really brilliant overdrive and Leslies, but not that many pre-sets. (Make your own).

Even B4II really needs to be fed through an EQ (hard or soft) in order for the harmonics to sound anything like as rich and complementary as an original Hammond.

Anyway. I agree. NI should print a few more copies and sell them cheap and "unsupported".

 

Shame on you. You accuse NI of bad behaviour and threaten to retalliate with worse. Yours sounds like the response of a spoiled child who, when screaming and shouting fails to have his demands satisfied, threatens to steal (after all, it was YOU who decided to upgrade to an unsupported OS so it was YOU who caused the problem with your copy of B4).

I've done my share of screaming and shouting (before calmng down and resorting to reason (small 'r')) but a threat to use cracked software is a step too far.

Cracked software is theft - no matter WHAT 'justification' you attempt to use.

 

Calm down everyone- NI released a new pack to shut us all up. Luckily my B4 seems to work find in Logic 64bit.

 

Still rankles

I dislike the way they just arbritatrily discontinue products without warning ahead of time AND keep selling them right up to the bitter end.
I is one thing to discontinue support for a product, but it is only common decency to let users know ahead of time in order that alternative arrangements can be made.
Especially as it now seems like B4II is not a happy camper under Win7 64.
*sigh*

Oh and I tired the demo of what NI thinks is a "better" Hammond emulation.

Nothing else to say but I am going with an alternative product & hoping someone at NI relents and at least gives us a fix to unbreak B4 II for Win 7 64.

 

This is of course completely correct.

However, it would be nice of NI to help keep a lid on it by making well-regarded products available for purchase for current platforms. It's not like he cross-graded to Visopsys or MenuetOS.

 

+1 and Vintage Organs only requires the free Kontakt 4 Player so the point is totally invalid in any case.

It works OK on Vista 64, The only problem I have is no matter what set of presets I have loaded the default bank preset names appear in the Sonar (64 bit 8.5.3) track headers, this means I have to do a lot of cross referencing. The result is the same with Sonar's bitbridge and with Jbridge. What sort of problems are you experiencing on win 7?

 

guys i just have to say. vintage organs, is all you need
forget b4 II ok, its old software, we have updated, and this is the new version.
buy the other non NI b4 II copy if you want...

ill stick with my vintage organs, because i can actually play a real hammond, i own a real b3. and i can safely say that unless you are a complete gimp, looking for a 1 key press to sound like jimmy smith. VINTAGE ORGANS WILL DO WHAT YOU WANT, AND IS BETTER THAN B4 II.

stop complaining about this crap

if you hate it so much, buy a b3. or a smaller x3 or something and stop comming in here complaining and crying about b4 and NI...

i have just got into software emulators, and man i can say that back in like 1999 - 2004, we would have not been able to touch this stuff today that we are getting closer to...

good on you NI for getting rid of b4 and moving on...

its only like 100 bucks guys, seriously, if you are that serious about your music you wont mind paying that...

hell i just paid 2g for a ****ing tb 303... in my opinion id rather buy an NI product than that.. but hey who knows where im going with this....


NI its a great job you have done guys, updating your organs, pianos and electric pianos is so good. you have no idea how good this is...
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57 drawbar organ sucked.. thats why it came out and left us so soon...

just get the vintage organs man seriously.
if you know how to play a Hammond or know how to get the types of little riffs you want, this thing will do it 100%...

the sounds of that farfisa are almost identical to a real farfisa...

and lets not remember that when using progs like this if you really want to be serious in your end result, you will mix and layer eq and comp etc....

anyone trying to make a serious end result of a song should be doing this...

and i would bet my life that 90% of you here complaining dont. thats why you criticise this program so much, you are just greedy little rodents.

peace all and xoxo <3
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oh will you?

you are the best!
man ppl like you are the reason we have ppl complaining in here...

i love you!


seriously dude, maybe crack windows, but man Ni dont deserve that, they are dudes making progs for our musical benefit.

they are not a company that needs to be cracked, i dont care what you or anybody says here. seriously **** off!

 

I have not heard a sampled organ yet that betters B4 II or VB3, The stuff in Hollowsun's Prog Pack for Kontakt comes close, but they are fixed regestrations with limited tweaking.

The specification of Vintage Organs looks good. It's obviously impressed you and I have been monitoring views expressed on other forums.

You are the most enthusiastic by an order of magnitude, but in general it is being favourably received. I will probably go for the cross grade from B4 II while its available. If I am not impressed I will still have B4 II and the combo organs will mean its not a complete white elephant like '57 organ.

 

No longer a problem

As a B4 / B4II user from the beginning I was horrified when it was discontinued. Such is no longer the case. VB3 is actually better and way less expensive. Plus, it works just fine with my B4D controller. All is well. No sense to go through any more agony. Life is good.

 

Rubbish. This is a rompuler. B4II is a modeller. Chalk and cheese.

Forgive me, but the way you write, the way you phrase your posts, you . . . make me sceptical about that claim.

I love fanboys.

I love fanboys.

I love fanboys.

I love fanboys.

I love fanboys.

I love fanboys.

Bro. The only way to reliably get a copy of NI B4 II is to get a cracked copy. Some people prefer emulators to samplers, and the only way to reliably get a copy of NI B4 II is to get a cracked copy.

They are making programs YOU want to use. Fine. I'm very happy you love them. But they have discontinued the programs some of us prefer. My ENTIRE VST folder is under two gig. And I like it that way.

 

man I am hardly a fan boy.

Just because I know NI are producing the future of products (and they are top notch) does not mean I am a fan boy at all...

In saying that about owning a b3, I think its pretty valid. The amount of hours and days I can sit here comparing a real b3 in my room to NI's organ copies, I think id be one person who could be used as an example of how far VSTi's have gone, especially this new one, yes its sampled, so what. It sounds almost identical to the real b3, c3, farfisa etc...

How can you not be happy with those sounds man?

Seriously? what sorta organ work do you want to do?

Its like saying you would buy a vsti' of a fender bassman and sit up stage playing that everytime. Man no one who is that serious about a bassman would even do that.

You would just buy the bassman, can actually say also that a bassman is on par in price for a real b3 LOL

just my views
and they are very valid.

 

Now I am confused, by YOUR logic, why would YOU use a VSTi like Vintage Organs when you have the real thing?

You opened your self up for fanboy accusations, you review was hardly balanced, and did not provide details despite it's length. Some direct comparisons with B4 II would have been useful (for example saying somthing like VI has a much better bottom end than B4 II would give you much more credability)

Vintage Organs may be superb, I have yet to hear it myself and I have an open mind, but points about the shear amount of disk space an processing power need to run it compared to B4 II or VB3 are valid. I have a couple of terabytes of disk space, an i7 processor, 6GB RAM and a 64 bit OS so it won't hurt ME too much, but not every one has (or wants to have) that sort of power at their disposal.

Newer is not always better, the Hammond B3 has not been bettered dispite the available technology, all we have got are cheaper, lighter, easier to carry around versions that don't sound quite as good. And Moog never equaled the Minimoog sound.

Organs lend themselves well to modeling and physical modeling techniques have come a long way since B4 II was released. "B4 III" could have been a killer application with a very small footprint. NI chose a different route, it's their choice. It will be intresting to see what GSi come up with for the next version of VB3.

 

Perhaps but you sound like one, insisting on "upgrades" to products with completely different profiles. It's not even an upgrade - it's a different program with different requirements and different merits and flaws. Different. Different. Different.

That's exactly what you are. You have really no objectivity or critical thinking, you are in love with NI.

That's fine - I'm a fan-boy of some companies and products - but on those products I have lost my objectivity, as you clearly have with NI.

You might be right. A real B3 is quite an investment, typically owned by the more mature end of the market, and you write with what appears to be - how can I phrase this - a good deal of youth and vinegar.

I play organs in a psychedelic madchester funk band.

For me samples are an impossibility.

I need something with a TINY overhead, a few meg or a few tens of meg TOTAL. This permits me to load all my instruments at once, on a modest laptop, and play them all through a pair of split keyboards. I can do that with VB3 or B4II (along with Lounge Lizard and ZD6 and VintageFX and other effect units. I cannot do that with Vintage, it's just impossible to run a sampler with that much simultaneously.

And no, I'm not going to buy a 10x the price laptop just to move sideways with Vintage Organs. (facepalm)

For starters, a freeware VST bass module became the backbone of the GOA trance movement. You didn't know?

However, a fender bassman can weigh about 150lbs, some are more. A Hammond B3 plus Leslies plus a Clavinet plus a Fender Rhodes plus a Wurlitzer plus a Clavinet D6 - which is what I play - all modelled non sampled - weighs, well, much more. A ton or two I guess.

My laptop weighs a couple of pounds, and runs all that simultaneously.

Your "views" appear to complain that people are going to pirate an out-of-print piece of software on the grounds they should be buying an entirely different piece of software they don't want.