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Discussion in 'Feature Suggestions' started by Naji, Jun 9, 2013.

  1. Naji

    Naji NI Product Owner

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    Liszt the Showmaster

    Yes, Liszt completely changed his life when he was getting old. Everything was exactly planned, he wanted to create an Image of himself for the time after his death - and that is ridiculous. At least Liszt found back to Bach, the "father of music". Chopin´s biggest influence was Bach, Moscheles and Johann Nepomuk Hummel (a pupil of Mozart). Liszt catholicized, but still seduced very young girls - very catholic, indeed. He showed exaggerated humility. He supported Wagner, Wagner was a real big misanthropic a..hole. I even like some pieces of Liszt, but never a complete Piece, maybe some of Années de pèlerinage . Paganini and also Liszt created the basics for stupid and superficial stardom, what we also call Se., drugs and rock & roll and look closely what these two Idols have caused in their line of succession: one of the biggest stars or artists of 20th century were Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, Bill Evans, Jimi Hendrix, Ray Charles, Marvin Gaye, Jim Morrison and what do they and a lot more have in common ? They all lived S, D and R&R ! all were addicted to drugs, most of them they treated women no good, they had no real friends, they were unhappy and died young - well, and they are called Idols ! how stupid and spoiled is mankind ? Chopin did not like that way at all, he wanted an Artist to give his whole attention to the Music, not to a Person. Now we can see where we are today, a Person or a superficial star with an artifcial personality is 90% of music business. Chopin saw exactly where this would lead to, especially when he had to fly to London (Revolution in Paris!), he was scared of London,from every corner you could hear Music, but no one really paid attention to it, music was downgraded. I read everything I could get about people who surrounded Chopin, and we have a very big library, - one of the most famous in the world - also very old books, that were originally printed here.
     
  2. nielsdolieslager

    nielsdolieslager NI Product Owner

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    aww, you're being harsh, maybe he was really trying :) I think Nuages Gris and Via Crucis have a very genuine feel.
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    did you try my edited NY Grand yet?
     
  3. Naji

    Naji NI Product Owner

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    Oh, I will and I will also listen to the dutch Composers; it´s strange, but I am sure to have heard these or similar words from a differnt Artist, too.
    As a star, you have big responsibilty, especially young people tend to imitate what their Idols do. And most of the stars failed.
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    I have seen your nki file and will check it when back from work
     
  4. nielsdolieslager

    nielsdolieslager NI Product Owner

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    Na, you shouldn't expect more from "stars" then from people who are less successful. Apart from their success and usually a lot of talent and perseverance they're just like the rest of us. Dutch proverb: high trees catch a lot of wind.

    Updated the Upright now too.
     
  5. Naji

    Naji NI Product Owner

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    Stars

    Of course I do expect much more from stars than from average people. I am responsible of what I am doing first and foremost with regard to the people I know and people who know me. Stars are known in public, people see what they do, they can see what they do almost every day on TV, in papers, magazines and web - and if media helps to create a spoiled image of a person, that person has to fight it !
    THat´s one of the biggest problems in our spoiled society that a lot of people think they are not responsible for what they do - but they are ! Stars are called successful - why ? Cuz many are addicted to drugs, or they are unhappy, selfish ? Or cuz they have so much Money ? Money is success ? You can have very little Money and be much more happy and clean than Jim Morrison or Amy Winehouse,
    we should first find out what we mean by saying success !
    Let me just tell you one example: I was about 14 starting to play electric guitar,and Jimi Hendrix was an Idol for many of us, not only the way he played guitar, that was just noice anyway, and there are a lot of takes and live recordings of him, that sound real bad and very embarrassing.. Ok, but most of e-guitar players I met, they imitated Hendrix´s way of living, Smoking dope, drinking alcohol and regarding women as objects of utility - Hendrix was their Idol ! their hero ! their god !

    I must admit that I also played some Hendrix stuff, but today I´d say I would also play very good e-guitar without that animal called Hendrix, no, worse than any animal could be. I would never recommend Hendrix, and it would be the best to destroy every remembrance of him, all he can do is cause evil things and he still destroyes lifes.

    The only star of end of 20th century I know and that I respect is Prince, I do not like everything he recorded, but that guy apologized for all the stupid things he did, especially when he started his career and he recommended young people not to imitate that. Hats off, ladies and gentlemen, a human being with a clean brain !
     
  6. nielsdolieslager

    nielsdolieslager NI Product Owner

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    Success is reaching a goal, the only example "stars" can give :)
     
  7. Naji

    Naji NI Product Owner

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    A monk in a monastery reaches a goal, too - whatever it might look like.
    As soon as you give an example, you bear responsibility. A father pummeling his wife, drinking and shooting heroin - is he a good example or idol for his children ? ! Would he be guilty if his son died of an overdose ? Is he responsible ? Fans are the children of their stars !
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    I have your nki - file in my New York Grand instruments folder and when I load the Instrument, I see the file, but I can not load and play it ?
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    I wonder why reverb or convolution are used as an insert effect for the factory presets ? Reverb is no insert effect !
     
  8. EvilDragon

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    Reverb CAN be an insert effect as well. It is not strange to use it that way at all.
     
  9. nielsdolieslager

    nielsdolieslager NI Product Owner

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    Do you have Kontakt 5?

    When you load reverb/convolution as an insert you can set the dry/wet signal level, theoretically the same thing as a send. As an insert it's possible to put something behind it, like tape saturation in my case :) If you use a send you need to work with the output channels of Kontakt to do something after the sends.
     
  10. Naji

    Naji NI Product Owner

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    Reverb

    Oh, I see. But two prof sound engineers told me, reverb is actually not an insert effect, e.g. a compressor or eq is usually an insert effect, but they also said that you can do whatever you want if the result pleases you, well ok. I know it´s no Problem to use a reverb or conv. as a send effect in Kontakt. I ve only noticed that NI uses reverb/conv. as insert for their pianos, whereas Vintage D as a send/return effect. I use reverb as send/return.

    Yes I have Kontakt 5 and the newest update (vers. 5.10.60xx), but I can´t load your nki-file ?
     
  11. EvilDragon

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    That's because professional engineers are used to using reverb as a send. But that's not the only way to use a reverb and they should know it.

    Hell, compressor can be a send effect too! That's what "parallel compression" in fact is!
     
  12. Naji

    Naji NI Product Owner

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    Insert Send PARALLEL COMP

    Yes, so do I, I often use compressor as send in addition - I was only refering to what one can read in standard mixing books as for Basics - and I agree with you, there are almost no llimits, just try and find out.

    Parallel compression does not mean necessarily using a compressor as a send effect,
    Example DRUM-TAKE
    copy/duplicate drum take, now you have it twice, call the original Take O and the new P (or whatever). Now use compressor as follows on P:
    High Treshold - 35-55, fast attack Long release 700 MS, Ratio 4:1. Now play first the original and then make the volume of P louder step by step ´ til you like the result - you do this in order not to loose to much dynamic, so Keep the original drum take. That´s parallel compression. You can use compressor as insert or send. U can even use more compressors at the same time. But I would not use a multiband-compressor. That´s just what I ve heard about it.
    But ED maybe u r right, and it´s just enough to use compressor as send fx, cuz you will still have the dry sound depending on the send/return amount ? but one could achieve a similar result then by using dry/wet amount (insert). I think it´s better to duplicate and Keep original / dry take and add a compressed one.
     
  13. EvilDragon

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    Well, it's quite similar really - using a copy of the track is pretty much the same thing as sending that track at unity gain to the comp, then play the track with the comp alongside the original. :) Then adjusting the gain of the comp track actually adjusts the amount of parallel compression. So in fact, it is a send, in a way. :D
     
  14. nielsdolieslager

    nielsdolieslager NI Product Owner

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    I don't know why that nki won't work. Can you try EvilDragon?
     
  15. EvilDragon

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    I don't have NI pianos installed at all, sorry. :)
     
  16. nielsdolieslager

    nielsdolieslager NI Product Owner

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  17. EvilDragon

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    Well, I use Pianoteq 4 Pro for my pianos, as mentioned above. :)
     
  18. Naji

    Naji NI Product Owner

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    Cuba Percussion

    I wanted some more Percussion and now there is more ! I must admit that NI works very quickly ;) I suppose Cuba Perc is more similar to African Perc than to Studio Drummer. Well, the most interesting thing for me would be Midi-Groove-Files, I do not think Cuba Perc does have Midi-Files ?
     
  19. EvilDragon

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    Cuba is built on West Africa template, yes. I don't think it has MIDI files, because WA didn't have them too.

    By the way, I don't think NI works "very quickly", this has been in the pipes for quite some time I'd say. :D
     
  20. Naji

    Naji NI Product Owner

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    No ED, I think they have just read my thread and NI has always got the demanded money from me for their products ;)
    Do you intend to purchase Cuba ? Price is a little too high !
    I really can not tell you if I like the Sound of Percussion in the Cuba Demos ?
    I do not Need trumpets or guitars as plugin; there are very goog plugins that do imitate strings, brass or guitar, but compared to the real Instrument they are still not good enough for me. Well and I have tons of Congas, Bongos and Percussion wav-files. Cuba is interesting, but I am still unsure - if Cuba had 1000 good Midi-files, I ´d buy it.