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suggestions on studio monitor headphones?

Discussion in 'MASCHINE Area' started by audiophlex, Nov 18, 2012.

  1. jpeg

    jpeg Forum Member

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    that what im saying when i compared the £40 quid ath20x to the £150 HD 25-1 II and the £140 DT770 Pro's, the cheaper ones sounded as good or better so most of these things is way over priced.
     
  2. LowPass

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    fair enough, I thought you refering to the pro/hi-end market in general.

    while I do admit they are pricey, you do get what you pay for with hi-end cans, and when you compare the price to a set of monitors and a properly acoustically treated listening environment, its not that greater investment.
     
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  3. jpeg

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    when doing amateur mixing i never thought that the extra £100's were justified get a pair of £50 joints and u should be fine.

    these so called frequencies that u can hear on these high-end cans are often outside the range of the material being mixed.

    further more as long as u are able to get to know ur headphone by doing some comparative listening u will be able to get a decent mix on whatever.
     
  4. LowPass

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    cool, fair enough will agree to disagree as we have a different perspective on this.

    I have found the investment to worth while for me. The flat response takes some getting used to, but its nice not having to rely on comparisons all the time. If my mix sounds bad in my AKG's it is bad, if it sounds good then it is good. What you hear is what you get. In fact thats pritty much the mixing process, you have to just keep on plugging away at something that sounds bad until it sounds good, when it sounds good its done :)

    And that is why I only use them for mixing down as when you are bashing a few sounds together and jamming everything sounds awful until its been mixed properly, which gets in the way of the creative flow.
     
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  5. 73*

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    I'd recommend a pair of Grado's. I more recently picked up a pair of SR125's, set me back less than $200 CAD. They are open back, comfortable, and I was blown away by their clarity and accuracy. The only draw back is that they are definitely more fragile than mos other headphones.
     
  6. astromass

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    Loving my krk 8400s. Highly recommended.
     
  7. ntula

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    the aka k812pro of course..

    i use akg industry standard 240s for general studio reference and if i want a club mix, i use the K181DJ

    if i was updating my 240, which i have had for like 15 years, i would probably get the k712pro

    they happen to have a closeout deal on them, the 181, i paid the full $250 from musicians friend (listed for $400 back then) for them, made in austria, when i got them 5 years ago... and they are worth it... but at this price of $79, you cannot go wrong:

    what makes them nice, the 181, you can adjust them to emulate a club pa, you know, rows of bass bins,, and as well use them in a club working, and they are a great pair for use on a laptop if you travel and mix as they isolate the background really well and well, lol, will match your macbook pro... though they sound great for the target usage, they are just okay for studio reference as all the bass/pressure they can produce will give you ear fatigue at higher volumes and the sound is coloured a little on the low end to emulate the club size and most people do not have the system a large club has in their homes. there are limits on the "sounding good on all systems".

    depends on your studio... if you use them a lot in a quiet location, i would go with an open, or semi, open style like the akg 240.....

    for your budget consideration, i would go with the suggested: AKG K240 MK II... the semi open and flat response will keep you from getting premature ear fatigue.

    being so many have good specs, the most important thing as well is, like motorcycle helmets, will they fit your head comfortably. you should be able to forget you are wearing them, not looking forward to taking them off.
     
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  8. jpeg

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    to all the guys that spent £100 or more on headphone how has ur music improved as a result?
     
  9. LowPass

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    my music is just as bad as it ever was, :) my mix downs are much improved though, much more balanced and clean.
     
  10. ntula

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    best advice my neighbour, a sound engineer with plenty of gold records on his wall from those superbands or yesteryear, gave me about getting a solid drum and bass sound was to turn off the sub and get a good set of headphones.

    his other advice was to get a good mic pre as well... "money well spent"

    others have said to get a good mix, you need to calibrate your monitor set up. with headphones, that is done for you already at a much lover cost. so even twice £100 is a bargain... though you can get the classic akg 240 for about £100, usually about £55/$90, and the new updated version for just a little more.. you have a point in that that is all you need.. a good simple solid pair. avoid ones targeted for cell phones, like you find in the apple store or cell phone and chain electronic stores, and high end audiophile ones except for previewing a final mix for mp3 or 24/96 audio respectively.

    yes the mixes improved. instead of having drums always too loud, they were mixed right in with the bass and layer perfectly with the lead voice.

    another word or advice i received once was to listen to a final mix in a good car stereo after a day of so break from it.
     
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  11. jpeg

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    lol gotta respect this dude for keeping it real,

    my music is pretty trash also but i always feel like im on the verge of doing something that i like, and that is up to the quality of stuff id like to listen to also.

    guess that is part of what make music an attractive pursuit but i cant dedicate my life and time to is like i used to that **** was going nowhere.
     
  12. JokeY1993

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    I used the Audio Technica ATH M50, and I wouldn't want to live without them again.
    Crystal clear sound for around 130€ here in Germany and also a great comfortable fit.

    Most of the times I start with my headphones, and when it comes to the subs or other synthesized basses, I turn on my monitor speakers
     
  13. LowPass

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    indeed, I keep on chasing that elusive dream of one making something good, but to be honest I have enjoyed myself more since accepting I'm not going to be the next big thing and taking the pressure off myself
     
  14. jpeg

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    music is unexpected joy when some accidental good comes out but alot of frustration and reworking ideas and deleting throw away beats.

    making beats is so simple and yet i cant understand the struggle; why do u think u have not progressed as a producer in the way that u would like? there has to be some sort of mental block because the pros are using the same equipment and the same sounds but they sound amazing and my **** sucks, lol
     
  15. JokeY1993

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    Maybe the pros just did not stop tryin' and dedicating their lives for their music
     
  16. jpeg

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    or they got a natural knack for it the some of us dont have who knows cos im sure u know peeps that put the time in and dedicated hours but they still suck
     
  17. jpeg

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    or they got a natural knack for it the some of us dont have who knows cos im sure u know peeps that put the time in and dedicated hours but they still suck
     
  18. JokeY1993

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    May be a matter of talent as well. In my opinion, it's not like that you have to be gifted to have success in any of the arts, whether its music, poetry or anything else. It's more like everyone has to invest time in practicing, some more and some less. That's where talent comes to the equation.
     
  19. puzzlefactory

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    I use AKG K701 and they are great. They give a really balanced sound. They don't go particularly loud but this is actually a good thing IMO as it protects your ears. They are also extremely comfortable to wear.

    I can't recommend them enough. Probably the best reference headphones i've ever used and great for mixing without monitors (they are the only headphones i've used that when a/b'ing with monitors the mix actually sounds the same).
     
  20. ntula

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    i have had my eye on the k712pro to replace my very worn 240.. bit pricy but they will last, a kg's are built very well.