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Discussion in 'TRAKTOR PRO / TRAKTOR SCRATCH PRO' started by Anavrin, Jan 5, 2009.

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  1. Anavrin

    Anavrin New Member

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    I'm wondering if Traktor Pro can superimpose waveforms, like in VirtualDJ or Torq, so that you know when to mix into a new part of the song (chorus, intro, etc)?

    I see that it keeps decks 1 and 2 waveforms in separate windows. Is there a way to put them both into one? Thanks.
     
  2. dj mutley

    dj mutley NI Product Owner

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  3. Anavrin

    Anavrin New Member

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    Hmm, any tricks to sync songs? What do you do to make sure one song matches another?
     
  4. The Assistant

    The Assistant NI Product Owner

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    Dude, this is what I'm talking about. And I get bashed for talking about lazy DJ's in another thread about changing waveform colors...
     
  5. Lancellot

    Lancellot NI Product Owner

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    Some Hard Disk Jockeys are sometimes overwhelmed with visual aids.
    They have forgotten, or worse, have never learned how to beatmatch by ear.
    I know the songs I`m playing, so why would I need a "hint" of when I should start to mix in the next song?
     
  6. Anavrin

    Anavrin New Member

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    Woaaah, back up a sec.

    You guys are actually thinking that more manual/difficult = better?

    Seriously?

    Sorry, but Serato, Torq, VDJ and VirtualDecks ALL have the convenience of waveform overlaps. It's not going to un-man your ego.

    Anyway, isn't there even plug-in support? I can't seem to find any, but I figured it might be a demo limitation.

    Lastly, some of us don't listen to the same songs over and over to memorize them. There are such things as "new songs" that happen outside of your little DJ world, not to mention songs that you mix up in the spur of the ****-faced moment.
     
  7. The Assistant

    The Assistant NI Product Owner

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    I'm going to end this discussion on my part by saying this: Tunes are made of soundwaves - you use your ears as the primary tool, it's not a movie. If you can't beatmatch as a basic skill -then you are not a DJ to me. Sorry

    If you read the manual you will find out how to sync.

    Plug-ins? Search the forum.

    Lastly, you don't listen to tracks over and over again to memorize them - you listen to them because they are good. Sounds to me like you are one of those guys who downloads tens of thousands of mp3's illegaly. I live for new tunes, that's one of the reasons I'm a DJ. If you have some kind of knowledge of music you know how each genre is built up. There are certain formulas you know.. you should be able to "read" the tracks by listening to hints in the song.

    /rant
     
  8. dj mutley

    dj mutley NI Product Owner

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    here s a trick
    use cue markers to describe song
    intro chorus so on ans so on
    you have 8 built in put description on each cue
    when song is playing drop down lil window see cues and description to help w/ song
     
  9. chilly

    chilly Returning Customer

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    Serato has waveform overlaps?

    No vst or plug-in support for Traktor. Or Serato.
     
  10. TeLLy

    TeLLy NI Product Owner Extraordinaire

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    And if you don't have it prepared (ie beatgridded/analyzed before the gig) you would be best advised to listen to the song once after you load it into your collection from the USB key that random punter gave you.
     
  11. chilly

    chilly Returning Customer

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    I guess I must be dense, but how does this help you?

    If I have 2 songs and I put the waveforms on top of each other, how does doing that tell me when to mix, or when certain events happen?

    I mean...I could be going from some radio mix to a club-edit house track, but that won't help me...the sizes are different. The house track could have 1:30 of intro beats, but the radio track only has a minute left in it...one is in 2A and the other is in 10B...oh sh!t...I think I just opened a riff in the space time continuum!

    I'm lost. This makes no sense to me whatsoever.
     
  12. benhustis

    benhustis Forum Member

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    Yeah, and some of us take those new songs, listen to them, pull them apart in our heads, and KNOW OUR ****ING RECORD CRATES. You'd probably laugh at the DJs who, oh, i don't know, wrote beat per minute values on their record covers. Or maybe put stickers on a vinyl to know where to drop a needle.

    A shipping container full of dull tools is worth nothing compared to a backpack full of sharp ones.
     
  13. trance alba

    trance alba Forum Member

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    simple answer; no.
    you should listen to any track you might play at the very minimum ONCE all the way through before playing out, no matter what medium it's on.
    what if you're cd/vinyl skips or your wav/mp3 crashes your dj app cos its badly encoded or copied?

    like mutley said.
    whilst listening to the track put some cue points in, even just as markers so you know when best to or when you really have to mix in or out of a track. you only need to mark them up ONCE and they'll forever be there to let you know you're about to fcuk up your mix if you don't take action.
    1) press the "sync" button.
    2) use a master deck and a slave deck, then observe the phase meter whilst bending pitch.
    3)call me old fashioned, but how about using your ears? The day that DJs start mixing without listening at all is the day I finally agre with the cynics and say that laptop DJing actually IS cheating and/or takes the fun out of it.

    +1
    If you're serious about DJing, you might want to get to know the music you're playing, but I'd have thought that was stating the obvious?
    Apparently not.
    Small comparison - wanting to DJ via beatmatching and mixing at the appropriate parts of tracks, without knowing the basic layout of your tracks is akin to a virgin writing a guide to sex:
    Get to know your tools. (excuse the pun...)
    In summary, you're playing music, so the best cues you will get is thru your ears and by using a little track recognition, NOT by relying solely on your eyes.
     
  14. pqdbr

    pqdbr Forum Member

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    Lol .. because you can ?

    If the software can give it to you, and many other softwares out there can, there's absofreakinglutely no reason to say "oh I know my tracks I don't need a phase meter, a bpm counter, waveform superimpose" ... bah
     
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