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Sync button to match bpm....?

Discussion in 'General DJ Forum' started by djmagicmoments, Aug 24, 2014.

  1. djmagicmoments

    djmagicmoments New Member

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    I will hit the sync button to match the tracks bpm's. But when I hit the sync button, it stays on. I just want to hit the sync button, have it match the bpm and then turn off.

    How do I do this? I see no reason to leave the sync button on. Once it matches the bpm, it should turn off.

    Any help would be appreciated.

    Scott
     
  2. CASHLUVA

    CASHLUVA Member

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    Why would you want to keep turning them on and off?
     
  3. djmagicmoments

    djmagicmoments New Member

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    As a wedding dj, you don't always beat mix your tracks. You may go from Old Time Rock & Roll to the Twist. You certainly don't want those two sync'ing BPM's.

    I want to sync the tracks bpm's when I want to, not when the software wants to.

    Unless you are a wedding dj, you may not understand. There are certainly opinions on how we all dj. You may not like my style, which is why I asked a VERY specific question. If you don't have an answer or suggestion, no need to reply.
     
  4. djmagicmoments

    djmagicmoments New Member

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    Okay, I will ask it a different way...

    Is there any way to program the sync button as a momentary? It matches the BPM and then turns off.

    I also have other programs that when the sync button is depressed, it syncs the tracks and then turns off.

    Every wedding is different, so organizing a set into blocks would simply not work. The blocks would constantly be changing.

    While I appreciate the replies, the software either does it (and if it does, please tell me how) or it doesn't. I can figure out a work around, if needed, when I know if I can map the controller to be momentary, instead of on/off.

    Also, I am new and it seems like a AWFULLY long time in between updates for this software. Why is that?
     
  5. heltino

    heltino NI Product Owner

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    to your questions:

    I`m as well a wedding DJ so I understand exactly your daily business.
    SYNC is just used to SYNC stuff you`ll like to.
    if you mix up different genres, this is just the "not to be used" option as sync, by design is for EDM that is in a close range of BPM and quantized produced. hand made music like rock is just not made for use sync.

    even if you have a different style and workflow, what is always the case between different DJs, I as well don´t get it.
    just turn ON and OFF as you like? the way serato does it, turns off as soon as you touch something, is MORE WORST.

    last not least: as DJ it should be possible for you to ride the pitch for situations you just like to be in sync for a temporarely time.
    if not: train this. sync is not the solution for each scenario and your requested ""momentary sync" makes no sense at all.
    each beginner DJ is able to "sync" something for a momentary time....and: how to implement that? how should the software know if you like to have sync or just a "for this moment sync"? an extra button for this? you´re the first guy ever heared of that is searching for this.
    all other guys:

    a) not able to beatmatch and need sync
    b) able to beatmatch but use sync to make sets more easy or to be used if you are playing with more than two tracks at a time
    c) able to beatmatch and don´t use sync

    never met another guy.


    regarding the upgrades:
    yes, see much other threads here, NI was and is pretty quiet since a long time.

    there will be something new, so no new updates at the moment. I assume it will come just in time for the x-max business, but as NI says nothing nobody knows.

    I would estimate that we´ll have, right before x-mas, a new traktor.
    traktor pro 3.0, traktor ultimate whatever...some total new stuff.

    might be the case that I didn´t get your point correct, but at the end I think you´ll end up at the options as above.
    please correct me if I didn´t get it!
     
  6. djmagicmoments

    djmagicmoments New Member

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    Ah, okay... so wedding dj's should not ask for suggestions or make recommendations since the software was not originally designed for us... Gotcha!

    You do know how ridiculous that sounds, right?

    Also, I would like the sync button to ONLY match the bpm PRIOR to starting the track. Not to keep the track sync'd. That, after all, is MY job.
     
  7. djmagicmoments

    djmagicmoments New Member

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    delanyS4, with ALL due respect, I find your posts ignorant. I would ask that you refrain from commenting on my posts.

    You don't ask a NEW person on the forums if they "HAVE ANY KIND OF BRAIN"?

    So, again, thank you but you can officially ignore me.

    I am the nicest guy in the world just trying to get a feel for new software. The "sync button" suggestion was only that, a suggestion. I have NO PROBLEM mixing with the tempo sliders.

    You really make new people NOT want to post delaneyS4... and that is sad. But I am a big boy and will rely on others to post more positive suggestions and comments.

    Again, I have ALWAYS said I LOVE the software and have never complained about it.
     
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  8. koops

    koops New Member

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    7 replies and not one person has provided a solution.......

    Go into settings and change from beat sync to tempo sync. That will just match the BPM to the master deck but wont keep it locked in beat.

    Alternatively you could map a button to the sync command and set button type to hold. that way it will sync when the button is pressed and then turn sync off when you let the button go. In order for the BPM to stay matched to the existing track you would have to do this whilst your incoming track is playing otherwise when you let the button go the BPM will revert back to the original BPM of the track. If I was you I would just switch to using tempo sync though as this seems to do everything you are asking.

    You could also look into the use of the snap and quant features.

    Without sounding like a dick (I have provided a solution) all of this is in the manual. I really would suggest reading it a few times and familiarizing yourself with the many features of the software.

    good luck.
     
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  9. djmagicmoments

    djmagicmoments New Member

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    PERFECT koops!

    Also, the manual is 350 pages long... I am getting there.
     
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  10. koops

    koops New Member

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    Glad I could help.
     
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  11. Irv_Tf

    Irv_Tf NI Product Owner

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    I use sync but hate when I leave it on by mistake. I usually on press sync to get the bpm matched then turn it off again. Sometimes I'll leave it on while mixing quickly only to find out i mixed in a track and it either sound way slow or way fast. Sync should actually try to sync 72BPM tracks to 150BPM tracks not by making them both 150BPM but by syncing it to half of 150BPM (75BPM) and vice versa.
     
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  12. djmagicmoments

    djmagicmoments New Member

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    That is the EXACT reason why I am asking about this!

    Thank you for verifying...
     
  13. Irv_Tf

    Irv_Tf NI Product Owner

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    At the end it's still my fault I am not paying attention to wether Sync is on or off but, I'm human.
     
  14. CASHLUVA

    CASHLUVA Member

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    If you try to sync two waayyyyy out of wack BPMs like 65 and 150, whichever track is way out of pitch will be distorted as well.
     
  15. koops

    koops New Member

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    This is kind of already available. In the advanced tab below the deck just hit the /2 button which will half the BPM thus halving the beatgrid. 150 BPM will now sync to 75 BPM.
     
  16. Kristof - Belgium

    Kristof - Belgium NI Product Owner

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    Hey Scott

    Here's also what you can do: Load a song in deck, push Sync, start song in Sync with the master deck, once song is playing, hit Sync again (this will turn off the Sync function but your BPM stays the same as it was Sync'ed). This way, your Sync is off and not activated constantly.
     
  17. djmagicmoments

    djmagicmoments New Member

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    OBVIOUSLY.... geesh.

    It's when we don't remember to turn it off, there is a problem. Human error.
     
  18. Irv_Tf

    Irv_Tf NI Product Owner

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    Not even remotely true. This makes the BPM of the track you are trying to sync change in the ID3 tag as well. There are plenty of reasons why you might not want to incorrectly tag you song 130BPM when it is really 65BPM.

    But, I have been halving/doubling my BPMs to get around the problem. It's just making a mess of my BPMs.
     
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  19. koops

    koops New Member

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    Not even REMOTELY true?? The /2 button does half the recorded BPM and thus halves the beatgrid. You can then use sync to match this to a the track that is playing if that track has a BPM that is half the BPM of your new track. No one asked about the lasting effects of doing so, I just offered a solution.
     
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  20. djmagicmoments

    djmagicmoments New Member

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    I have figured this out, thanks to all of your comments. Don't want you guys to dispute this because it is no longer an issue.

    Many thanks!