T scratch pro2: t3-delay issue

Would def love some help with this one, or at least if someone else has experienced the same issue.

Here's the deal: I use the (T3-Delay) effect the most out of any built in FX, and usually running it in 1/4 Beats to get a clean echo out.
But having this really annoying problem I've had for some time. Before with my Numark N4, now with my two - 1200s and Z2.

When I use the T3 delay on Deck A, and I open the crossfader and scratch the record on deck-B for an intro, the effect seems to become 'warped' or distorted by my scratching. I've deleted any extra mappings I don't need, and with my Kontrol Z2 running on the Factory map so I can't really see the mapping file. Aside from that I have a keyboard mapping file and a map for a set up Dicers.

Attaching the video to illustrate the example. I can even duplicate it with the channel fader all the way down on Deck-B while using the Delay on Deck-A and it still has the problem. So it seems like it's some type of mapping or software setting issue.

If anyone has any ideas or suggestions, certainly all are welcome!



If that link doesn't work try this one.

 

Deck A is the master and the effects are sync'd to 1/4 of 93.74BPM. ((BUT)) you stopped deck and used deck B while the tailof the effect was running making Deck B the master. As such Traktor sync'd the effect to Deck B and the effect is now off beat because it is sync'd to 1/4 of 75.04BPM not the original 93.74BPM

Hope that make sense to you. If you are using post fader effects then just keep Deck A playing with the fader off until the tail of Deck A dies off. That's what I do.

 

Yea that def makes sense. I didn't even think of that but it sounds like you're probably right. Thanks for the info man! I feel like a newb anyway because I just realized I could turn the effects into post-fader mode. So i've been using those now, and it's awesome!

Not sure what version of Traktor they became available in? Maybe they've been there all along and I didn't know… Either way

 

I came from Scratch Live so it's been a learning curve but, I'm getting there. I think that whenever the Z2 is in internal mode you can use Post Fader effects since the mixer itself is really acting a midi controller and not a standard analog mixer. I would say the Z2 had post fader effects from inception.

 

Yea I've been using Traktor SP about 2 years now, it's def been a learning curve. I haven't used SSL yet but definitely want to give it a try. Not sure how different the free version is from the real deal.

Yea with the Post-fader effects, I meant whether it was new or not to the software itself. Maybe that's why I never saw it because I didn't have the Z2 before. Either way it's nice to have now..

 

@Irv_Tf was thinking about this thread earlier because I was wondering about the whole "Master Tempo" settings controlling the effect parameters. Do you know if it's possible to shut of the master tempo, so when I have Deck-A echoing out and I scratch in Deck-B, it doesn't alter the delay speed rate??

And if this is possible, what would be the drawbacks to disabling it?? I was messing around in the Tempo panel and noticed there's master, auto and some other settings.

 

The easiest way to bang in a new track without distorting the tail of the current (or ending) track would be to temporarily turn off the 'AUTO' tempo. That's it. Not much more too it than that. The most difficult part will be remembering when to turn the AUTO tempo on and off.

 

thanks man, tried it today. It was cool until I went to drop the effects on a track and the count seemed off which sucked. Obviously must be the fact it's no longer in "Auto." So I ended up re-enabling it.

 

While testing shutting off auto tempo I didn't realize i had it off or set to master some other weird thing. It actually fought me to turn it back on. Just when I think I fully understand Traktor I get stuck trying to correct something minor in the middle of a gig.

 

Yea to be honest I was confused with that too, still don't really have it figured out. I was messing around enabling Auto, then Master, then even tried both at once. Seemed like i would shut off both, and then one of them would enable on its own. Maybe i'm mistaking but since i just keep it - auto

 

Hi, I'm not sure if this will help but what I've done is mapped shift plus sync 1 to set deck A to be tempo mater and shift plus sync 2 to set deck B as tempo master. I don't use sync to beat match so I don't need to worry about that so I just find myself automatically pressing shift plus sync 1 before putting fx on deck A...I don't even think about it, it just happens...This way my fx never go off beat. I've also mapped shift plus mic on/off as tap tempo just incase i'm wanting to snyc fx to vinyl records.

 

Come to think of it, if you wanted you could also map set deck to tempo master to fx on/off for each deck. 1 press of a button and BANG, your fx are on and the timing of your delay is synced perfectly to your track. An this would get rid of your problem. ( :

 

@DJ EL-TOPO I was just thinking that same idea when I was reading Part 1 of your reply! That's an awesome idea, didn't even think of that. Good stuff man! I'm going to have to check that out in the Mapping Section tomorrow.

The only thing is I keep the Z2 in it's default mode, where I'm not sure if I can enable custom mapping like that. Without having to change the entire master setting…?

 

Hey, I'm really glad I could help you out. Don't worry, nothing will be erased from the default, it simply adds to the default set up an there's a little tick box asking if you want the command you're mapping to override the factory command. (Or something to that affect)
It really is cool to add to the default set up, I've got my z2 doing everything but making my cup of tea in a morning. A couple of examples, pressing deck A button and cue 1 will load up delay t3, pressing deck A button and cue 2 will load up reverb etc... Then pressing deck button C and cue 1 will load a selected track into deck C and at the same time turn the layout to 4 deck, then pressing deck button C and cue 2 will toggle between play and pause for deck C which I use for samples... All the while the cue points all work exactly the same unless I'm holding the deck buttons as a modifier.

Honestly it sounds like a total geek out but it's worth spending a day on it to figure put how to map your dream mixer.

I never ever ever touch my lap top apart from to turn it on an off.

Feel free to ask any questions.

Cheers!

 

Yea you're exactly right about the override feature. I had no idea you could add onto the existing default map. Kudos to you man!
That's awesome man! But also makes me have more questions. First off, regarding the assignment of the master tempo. How do you specify which deck the master tempo will use as it's tempo? I've assigned mappings to different decks before but I couldn't find the choice. Maybe I'm not that good with it still but if you could shed some light on it. (attached a SS of my settings)



I know one time i was mapping specific effects to a button. Which was a little complex, i had to add things like effect on, effect assign, and then pick which effect I wanted to use… All mapping to the same button. Or something to that degree. Got it working but once I bought 1200's no longer needed the 'Turntable FX' sound anymore.


Also, how do you press the "C" button on the Z2. All I've ever used is the knob??

I've added some custom maps to my keyboard and an LPD8 I used to have, but that's about it. But one that I really like on my Keyboard is using Cmd + Up. To immediately go to whatever track I'm currently playing in my playlist.

Makes it easier if I lose my place, or if Traktor analyzes a new song and then jumps way out of position. (I usually sort in BPM order)

 

Hey! I'll have to make this post very quick because I'm running late but what you need to do is select "set master tempo" which is under what you have selected in the pic. Then down the right hand side there should be a drop down menu to select which deck you want to assign it to.
If you pm me your email address I'll send you my mapping and you can keep it or take away or whatever you like.

Cheers!

 

Ok I'm going to check that out. Been really busy lately and haven't messed with it. Thanks!

 

@DJ EL-TOPO Yea I took a shot at it, but didn't seem to really get it working. I don't see where I'm supposed to assign the deck. All I could do was try to add it in as a Modifier.

And I haven't had much experience using the Mods. Just basic mapping more or less. Here's what I tried below. If you could let me know in a little more detail I'd appreciate it. Thanks

 

In a massive rush but very quickly, just look to the right at the drop down menu where it says assignment, pull it down and select the deck.

 

Ya that's the thing, I tried that a few times. With "Set master tempo" and even "master tempo selector" and with either one all the drop-down on the right side has is Global. There's no deck choice. Is there something else I need to add to it, to make it enabled?

I don't have it mapped yet as you can see in the shot. But regardless of if i set it to the FX button or not, all i can choose is global. Maybe i should just try global and see what happens.