Tempo Slider Back in Traktor 3 LE

I was reading the announcement of Kontrol 1 and Traktor 3 LE and I notice on the screenshot that the pitch/tempo slider is back. No more knobs! Will this change carry over to Traktor 3 in a future update?

 

Ohhh poopers, I just asked the same question.

If so.......it's dope news!!

~chewy

 

What greater use is a slide over a knob if it's just a pictoral refrence point?

See my comment here:
http://www.native-instruments.com/forum_us/showthread.php?t=38644

This is a new way of DJ'ing... why hang onto stuff that has no impact on you plaing music??

 

Adam,
You didn't answer my question. It may not make a difference to YOU but it does to others, just like some people prefer rotary volume knobs over volume sliders on their mixers. I may be new to this forum but not new to the music scene. Don't be so cocky.

 

Rotary pitch control is NOT a new way of DJin'g.

I can see some people using rotary faders, but pitch control???....comeon'. I am so used to turntables and cdj's that using T3 is just plain strange.

~chewy

 

True chewy, that's why I don't use T3 for live performances.

 

I hardly think he's being cocky. What he is doing is pointing out that if you're using a mouse to control the pitch (be it a fader or a knob) you're using something entirely different altogether so why should it matter if the on-screen representation is a fader or a knob. Moreover, if you use a MIDI controller as many of us do, then get yourself one with a fader (e.g. UC-33) and voila, you've got your pitch fader back.

What I do think is a bit ridiculous however is saying that you're not going to take advantage of a bunch of new features just because ONE thing isn't how you like it in the GUI. Tactile feel is one thing, but saying that it's a deal breaker because you can't see the movement of a fader on screen seems just a little bit too stubborn to me. Of course, I do realize that there are people out there that are diametrically opposed to a pitch knob, so I would be all in favor of NI giving us the choice between the two...

 

Sure, there you go...a choice would great and very easy to implement. How many people do you think though, given the choice would choose a tiny-ass little knob instead of a fader as pitch control??

~chewy

 

Well, consistent with Adman's point, I have to say that since I really don't hardly ever manually adjust the pitch (and if I had the need to I would almost certainly use an external controller for that purpose), I think I would be inclined to leave the knob as is in exchange for the extra screen real estate.

 

How do you adjust the pitch of your tracks? Do you actually use that beat-synch thing?

I have tied it in the past, but it's always off wack by a considerable amount.

~chewy

PS. Has the beat synch feature been improved in traktor 3?

 

Well, I usually use the sync button to line up the tracks and then I ride the beat if need be by using my MIDI controller (a BCR 2000) or by dragging the beat offset meter. However, if you're saying that your tracks are off by a considerable amount (to me, that implies at least a couple BPM) then I think that you may not be using all of the tools available to you (e.g. beat grids, tap tempo, etc.).

 

elcucopr I was not being cocky... I was pointing out that the knob is not a pysical thing... it's a graphic representation and it there purely to display a value. It could be a number and have nothing that moved as far as I'm concened!

The same action is used to change the pitch... Drag mouse up and down... same as a slider... or map it to a MIDI contoller... your choice and knob or a fader...

It was made smaller to allow for other features (better internal mixer, new efx, additional decks)... features that many DJ's have requested... if you are so set on the pitch slider and don't want to take advantage of the features in T3 then use T2.6....

Beatgridding your tracks almost entirly removes the need for a pitch control (and is a requirment if you intend using the sync button)... it's not rocket science and only take a few minutes to master. All you need then is a pitch bender to correct the track if it drifts and you will have more time to do other thing in the mix and explore new ways of perfoming...

T3 was designer to push the concept of DJ'ing forward... hanging onto the old pitch slider over new features seems really backward...

But hey... perhaps you should just stick to 2 turntables and a mixer??? After all your apparently not a "real" DJ if you don't play vinyl...

 

Adam,
I do spin vinyl.........collecting over 20 years. Don't assume things that are irrelevant to the topic. And what is your definition of a "real" DJ....... someone that plays whack music just to fit in. Can I assume that you fit into that category? Stop being a troll.

 

At a glance, though, I find it's easier to read how far up or down you are with the slider. It's just easier to see.

Peece,
T. Tauri

 

"Pot, hello, this is kettle...you're black"

Really, look at your comments and look at Adman's. Although he's provided a well reasoned reply to your complaint, you certainly haven't given any such respect to his point. So far, all you've contributed is that having a tempo slider matters to you. You haven't provided any reason why it matters so much to you or any other logic to support your position. On the other hand, Adman has put forth a well reasoned argument (that I happen to agree with) and explained how you might benefit from using some of the functions of Traktor differently. For that you call him a troll.

Oh, and with regard to this comment:

I've got something to say about that. I'll be the first to stand up and say that I play whack music almost EVERY weekend. Moreover, I'll tell you that makes me a BETTER DJ than you. Want to know why? Because that's what the crowd I play for wants to hear. If they like it, I'm doing my job. FAR too many DJs out there (I'm not saying you are one of those...yet) forget that their primary job is to entertain their crowd. Sure, some people like to go to a club and hear brand new, underground music. If that's your scene then that's what you need to play to reach your crowd. However, simply saying that playing whack music makes you a bad DJ is completely missing the point of what you should be doing as a DJ--i.e. entertaining your crowd.

This really reminds me of a quote that someone on another board has in their signature. It's something like this: "just because no one understands you doesn't mean it's art". Believe me, I've seen PLENTY of DJs (in fact I've got several friends that are just like this) who are so hung up on playing their style of music that they don't even care and/or notice when they're playing at a party and 95% of the people there hate what they're playing. Now, they may be technically good DJs, but FWIW, I think they're really pretty poor DJs when you consider the essential function of the DJ.

 

See, now I do agree with that and I can completely see how other people could find that ability valuable. However, for me, how far I'm pitched up or down really doesn't make that much difference to me. I use key lock about 99.9% of the time and I'll certainly notice it if I cue up a track and I don't like the sound of it because it's too fast or too slow, so I would personally rather have more of the waveform. Again, that's just my personal preference...

 

You are right Mint. The only reason why I responded in that matter is because Adam's remarks to this thread. I feel that this thread got out of hand. I just asked a simple question: will the pitch slider be included in a future update of Traktor 3? It's a yes or no question!!! It wasn't about being just a visual reference or a "new" way of Djing as stated by Adam. People need to learn how to pick their battles.

 

There was never a battle...

I simple asked "What greater use is a slide over a knob if it's just a pictoral refrence point?"

At which point you got on your high horse and accused me of being cocky...

What ever!

NI ain't gonna answer your question here... and nor will anyone in the know as they have all signed NDA's...

So there is your answer to you question.


Now I'm being cocky.


Adman the troll

 

Well, I think the thing is that even those "in the know" don't. As we can all see, it's obviously possible so I would say that if you want that option, you should send that request directly to NI support. From purely extrinsic evidence it sure looks like they might be going that way already given LE, but you never can tell with NI...

 

Left my laptop at home last nite. Played a killer..all old school trance set last night at my local club. Wasn't very busy, but it's kinda nice to go back to the old school now and then.

~chewy