The Year of the Monkey can NI regain their lost prestige?

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The most disrespectful thing to the user base is to not engage with the users and not fix the support issues (ie bugs/workflow issues) whilst continuing to churn out other products.

I won't even consider buying a DAW from NI until their philosophy changes.

 

What is that DAW bulls**t? NI already have a DAW, is called Maschine, if you find it lacks some features is fine (I think it too), but if you expect them to release a parallel project you are a fool.

 

No it's not a DAW. You won't see a single piece of NI literature claiming it is either. It's a sequencer/sampler/groovebox. Long may it stay that way. And that's another long thread that has already been discussed

 

two things people, 1 NI doesn't do Namm anymore, if they've changed their mind about this I haven't heard anything about it.
2. NI Has stated on video that they will not make a daw, or at least not make maschine a daw.

 

1) Bummer. So I guess announcements are just 'random'?
2) Not a bummer.

Back to VietNAMM I guess... (Or over to AKAI).

 

What are you talking about lol?

 

If by chance all the soothsayers are incorrect and NI does have a DAW coming, it would be sad if they said it's not gonna come until October.

 

You actually believe what people are saying on this forum lol? Doesn't matter what NI does people on here will buy it anyway.

 

Much of what will happen depends how far into any planned release they are right now and what product line, but if we're talking Maschine, I was thinking they would try to release something to make a splash around the time of Namm (I know they don't show there, but they could still release around that time frame). However the Roland ACB sampler rumour might mean they will wait and see what's released before deciding what to do next. That doesn't preclude them releasing something else, although with Pioneer releasing a refresh of their Nexus line, again, they might choose to take a 'wait and see' approach before releasing a new DJ product. But hey, maybe not? It's possible that a Z4 will drop sooner rather than later, and how much longer can they wait for Traktor 3.0 without losing more market share? They need to forget about hardware for a while and concentrate on software; forget about pushing the latest proprietary standards they thought up onto the market and fix what they've already released (and we've purchased), a tough pill to swallow for a software company that's done pretty well for themselves selling hardware.

As for a DAW, I get such a feeling of deja vu every time it's brought up; it's been discussed so many times. I don't believe they're going to release one -it would go against the grain of the original ethos of Maschine and how it was built, to the point where they'd have to rebuild Maschine practically from scratch to get there, and it simply wouldn't be Maschine anymore- but they are working on independent tracks (according to rumour, speculation and just plain logic). We don't know what type of challenges they're up against in trying to integrate that into the tightly knit existing framework of the Maschine platform (only the Devs and beta testers know), so it's hard to say when we'll see it. The longer N.I. waits, again, the more they risk losing market share with all the different choices that are starting to appear. People will always be looking for the biggest bang for their buck, something that they feel is future proof, and will light a fire of inspiration under their ass for producing music, and the latest shiny toy not owned yet holds greater allure than the old beat up one in the corner. So come on N.I.; give us some new toys!

To sum it up, if something's already being physically produced and stocked and ready to ship as soon as it's marketed, I don't see how they could deviate from that course. If it's just in the development and ideas stage, they might go back to the drawing board based on the feedback for the new releases from the competition. Someone on here knows...I guess we'll find out soon, one way or the other.

As always, use what you have in the meantime, and have fun with it. Tomorrow is forever on the horizon. Now is always here but slipping away if you don't grab it.

 

fwiw, on the Pro Toold Expert Forum there is a thread discussing rumours about DAWs and yes, NI are mentioned but more people are plumping for Waves or Universal Audio.

maybe Waves or UA will announce something in NAMM?

sowari

 

Would be funny to see UA make a DAW modelling plug in. Get the sound of Cubase in your productions! Make your track sound like it was mixed in a real ProTools studio! Ever wanted the sound of Ableton warping without using Ableton?!?!

LOL.

 

the idea was that a separate DAW be made to integrate the whole NI eco-system; not turning maschine into a DAW, I just think the name Kompose is so catchy it would be hard to pass up the marketing dollar that could come from that

 

...no, it'll be Kraftwerk...

 

anyway its all about other developers or other companies right now NI have shown nothing; so until they show their cards than I assume they have nothing noteworth to show

 

...I don't think so. If competition would be as fierce as we're all insinuating - would we drop the trousers, if we we're the ones to play? The year has just begun and in the recent years (after the first presentation of Maschine) NAMM hasn't been the centre of NI's focus IIRC. It may be they'll release something (other than a Maschine Expansion or Kontakt Instrument) at NAMM or they won't - in any case I would expect something noteworthy at the same time when Musikmesse will take place...

 

for once and for all

 

one thing is clear for the past two year NI has not been in tune with what many users want; after each release they end up delivering something different to what the users expect, but different in a bad way.

so if 2.5 comes this year and it is substantial, at this point in the game whose to say it wont be substantially out of tune with what users want.

 

...right in the middle of typing an epiphany - every new generation of producers that don't know jack about development every year making the same complaints on how companies are supposed to act - don't mind that...

 

u dont need to be train engineer to know the train is late over crowded; I dont care what goes on in the background just make it work.

same with windows when the old windows millennium edition o/s came out with bugs and slow boot times; users dont need to be developers to critique the poor performance.

they could just point and apple and say the mac developers can deliver a stable o/s with fast boot times; so if windows cant do it they need to get out the game or deliver.

NI and maschine they are not exempt from this critique; ur fanboism is blinding u from objective observation; we all know NI are very capable developers; the issue has been that they have been bullshitting maschine users for two years.

they focused on other things and just mis-directed and fobbed u off for two years; but being the fanboi lackey/lapdog u r still happy kissing they feet, as they throw u crumbs and no substance, its pitifully to watch

But in ur rush to defend ur masters u actually do NI a disservice by suggesting that they have been frantically struggling for two years to deliver the updates that the users have been asking for.

we know they have in house development capability thats why peeps have been frustrated with their lack of progress. It boils down to the nonchalant attitude they have towards fulfilling users requests.