Thinking of selling maschine...

Nah he's put 10 hours in, and knows it's not for him...

I swear you've spent more time bitching on these forums at people trying to help you than you actually have on maschine... Good luck with that sale...

 

if a disgruntled soul like myself decides to not ever spend another dime on any native instruments product I can understand where they're coming from but the maschine I've already purchased will be with me until the end days. It's too good at what it does good.

 

I want to pay off the debt it's causing since I don't use it. Face it, it's not for everybody. Stop trying to validate your own purchase.

Some sucker just bought a Studio before I put mine up for £700 with some expansion packs - so I'll be pissed if mine doesn't shift for £650 with £400 worth of software thrown in for free.

I honestly think a DAW is more intuitive, so I'll stick with that. The NI synths are the best I've heard though, but I haven't tried Omnisphere, and that's next on my list.

 

oh man you hit the nail on the head with that one, I definitely need validation for my purchase but not from you, from the native instruments dev team. I'd love to hear what your thoughts on omnisphere are after you get it, it's on my midterm list as well.

 

More insecure replies.

The benefits Maschine brings me personally doesn't outweigh the amount of circumnavigating its shortfalls you need to do. Why are they dragging their heels? They should just team up with a DAW already. The arguments that 'it isn't trying to be that' are a falsehood. Anyone serious about making tracks needs a DAW in addition to Maschine - and it really doesn't need to be that way. Trying to implement both to make a track is clunky at best. So much for simplicity.

 

you realize these are the same people that make reaktor right, their forte is not workflow at least that much should be obvious to anyone. They don't want to make a daw because maschine already has one which you know is ableton and they'd rather someone else take that responsibility.
They want to limit maschine to what it is. Why would anyone trust them to make a daw anyway when they've only given us 30% of a midi sequencer in 5 years and there are enough issues with it as an inkomplete groovebox, and you want a daw?

 

I've said this before in various different guises (and I know you have too). It baffles me why, on the one hand, Maschinist Smith is frustrated with NI and their slow development of Maschine, while also urging them to release a new product in the shape of a DAW...

This is a falsehood. I'm serious about making tracks and while there are numerous things that would make my Maschine-life and playtime with it much more pleasurable and a lot easier, it's more than capable of creating and finishing tracks (it's me that's often incapable of finishing tracks). If using it in place of a DAW (as I do), it's a different "workflow" and approach, but if what Maschine can do is embraced and how it does it is understood, a lot can be done and most of what you can do in Live, Logic, Pro Tools, whatever can be achieved. Still, I want improvements to these things that it already has as much as the next bloke.

 

When improving maschine software, the biggest challenge is the sw-hw integration imo.
Maschine dev team, if they put linear audio recording on the software, it has to be totally controllable from the hardware. They cannot say: "ok here is audio recording, but you will have to use your mouse!"
If maschine loses that integration it loses more than what it gained from becoming a DAW.
Is it even possible to control an entire DAW with the existing hardware?

 

I couldn't agree more about this. It's the main reason I've suggested people requesting it to think about what it would actually mean and be in Maschine. And it's why I've put forward several controller- and Maschine workflow-friendly track-style audio recording/playback ideas.

 

I think people are making excuses for Maschine being obtuse. I think maybe it has a legacy issue left over from a simpler time. Let's face it, Studio is more 1.5, than 2.0, as it was constrained by having to be backwards compatible with existing SW.

Any true innovation should make the previous hardware obsolete, complete with brand new software designed from the ground up. Not with old ways in mind.

The SW-HW thing is what Maschine is all about - that marriage. It should be the perfect one-stop-shop. We shouldn't be needing to use external programs, or silly workarounds to finish off, or complete tracks.

Ease of use is one of NI's marketing angles.

 

I do not agree with this at all. The "old ways" were what got Maschine its following, so to just drop them instead of building of them would have been a big mistake: you can clearly see this from all the complaints about features that were dropped from 1.8 to 2.0 (Pattern tabs, MIDI batch setup, Scene MIDI control etc.).

Not sure if this was directed at me at all, but I am not and do not make excuses for Maschine. It has plenty of shortcomings - more than it should by this point - and NI should be doing something about it. Let's just hope they are.

 

You really don't know what you're talking about do you? It was not backwards compatible. No-one here thinks Maschine is perfect as is. My only point was that you spent days writing back and forth on here, and getting aggressive with me instead of actually reading the manual, looking at the quick start, or joining Maschine tutorials for a month. And then then constant questions about packaging; man how hard is that? You couldn't even be bothered to put it in a frigging box!

 

People are not making excuses – they just using it, that's it.
I do not want Maschine to become anything.
I just take it for what it is. And use it happily since 2009.

If it's not suited for you, just let it be.

 

I am (the entire point of this thread)

If people aren't making excuses, why are there CONSTANT calls for simple, yet crucial functional features to be implemented?

Like there multiple threads about it right below this one!

 

What is the official stance on selling SW?

 

It's completely against forum rules and considered spam.

 

This thread has served it's purpose and has become an off topic flame match. Thread closed.