Hallo, does anybody knows how to bring Bandstand with Logic 7.1.1 working properly, without that the Programchanges 7 & 11 (Vol. & Pan) direct to the main Volume Fader from BS Audio Instrument sends? It should sends the PrCh direct to the BS, or not? But in BS nothings happen. PLEASE HELP ME !!!!! Thank You Pinissimo (German Version) weiss jemand wie bringt man Bandstand zum laufen im Logic, ohne das die Programchange 7 oder 10 (Vol. & Pan) direkt auf der haupt-Laustärkerregler des Audio-Instrument senden, sondern nur auf die einzeler Chanels des Bandstand. Das ist ein Rätsel? Vielen Dank Pinissimo PS: like I've been reading in the forum... Is nobody using BS with Logic or what? It seems to be like this, cause it seems that nobody is having the same problem I have, or nobody is talking about. Do you think that there will be a support for Mac or not? I've just bot BS and I'm already upside down. I really wonder about NI (such a serious & great Company). I have almost all the products and they are amazing. _____________________________________________________ My Set: MacG5-2,7 Ghz Dual/4,5 GB Ram/MacOSX 10.4.6 Tiger/LogicPro7.1.1/Motu2408/NI Komplete2/NI-Bandstand
Re: Logic Pro 7.1.1 & Bandstand Hi Pinissimo, I am waiting for other users to chime in here. if I remember correctly their were always problemes with these controllers being captured by Logic and not sent to the plugins. maybe somebody knows a trick. Best, Markus
Re: Logic Pro 7.1.1 & Bandstand In fact, Logic doesn't send controllers cc#7 (volume) and cc#10 (pan) to the AU plugins. I think it's an unfortunate design decision of the early developers, probably due to the fact that Logic's own plugins are not multi-timbral. Strictly speaking, from today's view it defeats the purpose of the AU standard. In any case, NI can't be blamed for this. The simplest solution/workaround is to load multiple instances of the plugin. However, depending on the plugin this may increase overall cpu and memory load quite a bit. A more efficient solution would be to replace cc#7 and cc#10 by other controllers provided that the plugin supports re-assignment of controllers. In Logic it's easy to generate such replacements with transformers.
Re: Logic Pro 7.1.1 & Bandstand OK, with some research on the net I found that actually there is a general and efficient solution. However it requires some work in Logic's environment. The trick is to transform cc#7 and cc#10 into so-called 'fader messages' which are sent to the plugin and control its local faders. For details see this thread http://community.sonikmatter.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=29403 PS. Personally, I'm interested in Bandstand but won't buy until a reliable UB version is out. I'm wondering why there is no demo version. I could make a Logic song template which might be helpful for other Logic users.
Re: Logic Pro 7.1.1 & Bandstand Bad news. Just tried the "fader" method with the K2 demo version. For some reason it doesn't work. So I guess it won't work with Bandstand either. Sorry.
Re: Logic Pro 7.1.1 & Bandstand Good news again. Finally I've found a general solution to use Bandstand as plugin with Logic Pro. However, it requires some special work and software. For more details see http://www.logicprohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=3839
Hi all, great tip! let's use this thread for tips and tricks with Bandstand in Logic Pro! Best, Markus
Other than spending $100 on more software (Bidule Plogue) and the time to configure it, does anyone out there have better solution to use Bandstand as as usable multitimbral plugin with Logic 7.2? I know that currently, Bandstand does not work at on my Intel Dual Mac. (Nor did it work multitimbrally on my PC version of Logic for that matter. When is a new version coming out that will address this?) I am am amazed at the level of retraint and tolerance of Bandstand owners who have been led to believe by NI that this product is compatible with their software (i.e. Logic) only to find out that it clearly is not. NI should not be saying that this product works on Logic. IF IT DOES NOT WORK MULTITIMBRALLY, then what's the point? Multiple instances of Bandstand are a no go for most. PLEASE exclude "Logic" from the list of sequencer titles that you claim are compatable until this is resolved!
Hi bpoc, what do you mean by Bandstand not working multitimbral in Logic? this is the first time that I hear this. you should be able to feed all 16 MIDI channels from Logic by using one instance of Bandstand. Best, Markus
Thank you for your responce, Markus. Judging from past posts, I am not alone in this view. On the PC using Logic 5.5, Bandstand note data does respond multitimbrally but the problem I have encountered is that CC data gets sent to the main output of Banstand and not the seperate midi channels. On the Intel Mac, Bandstand does not run at all (rosetta) so I cannot speak to this. Some questions: Has anyone had COMPLETE multitibral success using a single instance of Bandstand with any version of Logic? If so, could you PLEASE walk me thru your method? When is Bandstand releasing MacIntel version? Currently I am drag'n dropping MIDI files into Garageband then importing Garageband files into Logic. (Garageband instruments plugins load automatically. This does weigh heavier on CPU but produces in most cases superior sound and most importantly it is relatively ... EASY.) The challenge for NI is to make using Bandstand with Logic 7 E A S I E R and less cumbersome than needing to use 2 host programs. By the way, did I hear numerous sample pitch corrections in the latest version of Bandstand? (There are, however, still tuning issues. Check B3 and String samples for tuning before next release. ) Thanks Paul
I think the only solution would be to provide Bandstand with multiple output channels like Kontakt. Then Logic's environment could be set up for proper usage of a single instance of Bandstand. Logic is just not designed for multitimbral plugins with single stereo output. Note that even Apple's own DLSMusicDevice can't be used properly in Logic as a single instance multitimbral plugin. Hopefully the next version of Logic will eliminate this non-standard behaviour.
You have to admit this: NI should not have stated that Bandstand is compatible with Logic. If indeed it is true that all midi channel specific Vol. and Pan data is sent exclusively to Bandstand's main output and not to individual MIDI channels, that would make using Bandstand as a VST with Logic as the host,....pointless. How 'bout weighing in on this Markus?
Hi all, we just checked more into Bandstand and Logic to refresh our minds. everything works multitimbrarily including program changes and all CCs. the only exception is CC#7 and CC#10 which is the very topic of this throubleshooting thread. so in my mind there is nothing broken for Bandstand given that the CC#7/CC#10 issue is a known Logic behavior. does the recommended workaround using the Logic environment not work? best, Markus
Hello, "...so in my mind there is nothing broken for Bandstand given that the CC#7/CC#10 issue is a known Logic behavior..." We may be moving closer to getting past the denial stage. This is progress. Given that Logic's flexibility may also be its Achilles heel (the scary Environment), I'm still astonished that it is incapable of vol/pan miltitimbral performance. I'm still in denial. Let's face it, in the world of audio, dealing with relative volume of a tune's mix (and its stereo image) are f u n d a m e n t a l. NI should either try to fix this (with Apple?) or remove Logic from the list of compatible software titles. (at the very least, place an asterisk indicating the incompatibility issue). To do otherwise is just not fair. Paul PS. Are there ANY plugins out there that work multitimbrally for Logic? If so, why not Bandstand?
Hi all, I would also like to know if there are any plug-ins where the below works in Logic! other than routing CC#7 and CC#10 to other CC#s. best, Markus
Markus, to answer your question we need to distinguish two types of multitimbral plugins, namely (a) with single audio output and (b) with multiple audio outputs. For plugins of type (a) it's technically *impossible* in Logic to use CC#7 and CC#10 directly to control volume/pan of the individual channels. Bandstand is just an example of this type. However, for plugins of type (b) it's possible in Logic to use CC#7 and CC#10 to control individual channels. The trick is to control the individual audio output channels *outside* of the plugin. Obviously it requires some 'cabling' in Logic's environment. Quite inconvenient but possible. Kontakt is an example of this plugin type. Needless to say, this peculiarity of Logic generates permanent discussions on all Logic user forums.
Hi all, got it! we had planned multiouts but had to cut this feature last minute. should not be too hard to add multiouts in the next update. depends a little on the user survey results - this survey should go out pretty soon now. best, Markus
multiple output channels I just wanted to add my support to this option: I'm in favor of multiple output channels too. Never heard about that user survey since May... Perhaps this was also "cut last minute".
wait! are you saying that you did not get the user survey in about 2 weeks ago? this was sent out to all registered Bandstand users. best, Markus
Sorry: no!... I just checked all of my received mail for the past 4 weeks and only found my Bandstand order confirmation and miscellaneous newsletters. Who should I ask?