To N.I from a loyal customer

Encourages ?.... isn't that like saying it encourages people to steal sample cds or packs cause its compatible with wav and aiff files?
and specifically in and under this context of sampling audio, what standard to sample is universally up to the samplist right, whether your recording found sounds with your iphone or in a clinical studio environment sampling old synths, whatever standard you want to sample is hardly big brothers concern I would think? just sounds like a bit of a leap to me.

 

all of these concerns are things that one would personally note , not anything that ni need to police I would think, and I've never heard of anyone making an argument for mp3 because it's of a superior quality everyone I know knows better than that, I don't think that is why people concern themselves with mp3s, it's just about convenience and imho convenience always makes a good practice tool.
I don't think ni needs to worry about what anybody is charged for whatever kind of file is on that persons site, that has nothing to do with ni.

and ableton does the conversion process for editing mp3s just fine, so does traktor so I don't think there is any problem in that area either.

 

At the end of the day mp3 is a crappy format. As producers we should be aspiring for the best quality audio production we can. If you start that process with rubbish then it's "rubbish goes in, rubbish comes out" (sound wise).

And sorry but yes I do think it encourages illegal downloads. I don't think that people are crying out for mp3 support because they like the crappy sound. I think it's because most of the kids out there have a hard drive full of mp3s from torrent sites and are to cheap to go buy a proper copy of the song they want to sample. This is just my personal opinion of course but when it comes to human nature I'm a cynic at heart.

 

haha guess I have a little more faith in the human condition. People have spent allot of money on maschine, i don't think they really need mp3 support to get over, and if their whole aim in life is to get over on the man via mp3 then to each their own path even the hopeless ones.

but I agree that mp3 is a crappy format but formats have always been the prerogative of the artist no matter what the medium. You could say the same thing about water colors if you wanted, I just don't want anyone caring about my wellbeing so much that they would determine what format i choose to use in whatever capacity. I guess I'm just not too concerned with kids learning maschine on mp3 files from their music library.

 

the vast majority of sampled music is sliced and diced and/or has lots of fx, dynamics processing, etc. most of it is filtered and that should dismiss the mp3 quality concerns right away. besides, even if a listener could hear the mp3 quality difference they are not likely to care. people respond to music at a much more primal level.

the notion that mp3 encourages producers to use music illegally seems pretty far fetched. if a producer doesn't already have a particular song in mind then they are likely to start browsing their music collection for inspiration. an inconvenient file format is not a barrier for them. vinyl is not a barrier for many of them.

 

Hello

i dont need mp3 support (i can convert if needed with other software) but if it has no disadvantage or break the software
- but there are still other more important things to add/fix.


Uwe

 

i agree. mp3 support would be nice to have but there are lots of things with higher priority in my opinion.

 

If people want to use mp3s they will find a way to use them anyway And not all mp3s are illegal. There are people who do pay for mp3s. Its not anyone else's job to babysit creatives to make sure they are using the best audio formats.

 

Again the cynic in me says that you give people too much credit. I think people do need to be babysat and they do need to be policed. Exactly whose job it is to do it is a good question, but someone should. People get carried away with things and can take things to extremes. "The loudness wars" is a prime example of what can happen if you let things go unchecked.

 

Like what? Personally other than mp3 support I would like for 2.0 to be a little more stable, add pdc, and audio tracks.

 

Maybe its just me but I paid $600 for a Maschine MK2 I want to be able to make any kind of music I want with it. Nobody has the right to tell me that I cannot use the audio format that I choose to because it does not meet their standards of audio greatness lol. 3 years ago I had a 1500 piece collection of vinyl but had to give it up to move into my new place that is a little smaller but in a nicer neighborhood. For me mp3s would be great. Also let's not forget the hobbyists who only want to create music and don't care how pro it sounds. I am not all that into sampling mp3s but I hate being told that I just can't do it if I wanted to. I wanted to remix a current pop song the other day. I don't think the song was released to cd so should I not sample it or should I go download it from itunes and make it happen with maschine? my thoughts were take it to maschine from itunes and don't worry about it.

 

Well, if you really want to use mp3s, then use one of the multitude of FREE apps that can convert file formats (iTunes for instance). Lets not forget that and mp3 license will cost money and that cost will be passed on to ALL Maschine users. I, for one, do not want to pay for this feature.

 

That's an assumption. I remember when you made the same assumption on the PUF. Propellerhead added mp3 support to Reason 7 and the price did not change. And why should I go and change hundreds of mp3s that I have in my itunes folder because you are choosing to be an elitist? Choices are good. You can choose not to use the feature if you don't want it but what makes you think you should choose it for everyone else?

 

Yeah it did, it was a more expensive upgrade price with a fraction of the normal features compared to previous upgrades.

 

The upgrade to Reason 7 was $130 just like every other Reason update. That's just a lie lol. As far as less features that's debatable. Reason 6 didn't offer many new features either if you already owned Record. The difference is 7 didn't add a bunch of new racks which I blame more on Rack Extensions than on mp3 support.

 

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Reason7up/

 

Elitist? This is supposed to be a "Pro" application. Music producers are supposed to be concerned with good audio quality. Mp3 is a crappy format that is as we speak being phased out.

And why should I pay for a feature just because you don't want to convert an mp3 to another format?

 

I cannot be arsed with arguing this and you're really starting to irritate me. Time to find the ignore list...

 

okay, time to chill.

this has been one of the best debates about mp3 - especially from the pro mp3 side - so lets agree to disagree.

my 2 cents:

Maschine is clearly for both 'pro' artists/producers and 'hobbyists'. different people have different wants/needs/workflows, lets respect that.

sowari

 

That has been my argument the entire time. Technically vinyl is a lossy format but its the most common format for sampling as well. Mp3 imo has less to do with being pro and more to do with having options without having to work around the software's own limitations.