Traktor DJ Studio 3 - Gripes & Grizzles

Yeah the half beat out is about right when it jumps back to the guestimate. My point is that as most (if not all) music these days is produced to a rounded bpm so why is the traktor 'guess' so 'unrounded' and inevitably requires 'rounding' by the user? :S

 

@ snowdog: did this happen with aac files? if yes, 3.11 should be the solution.

if you use *snap* and then set the first beatmarker, you usually end up with round values... ;-)

 

ih imian,
did it work?

 

I don't

I always & without exception, have to manually round every single tune I get. Sometimes the guess is close (e.g 176.003) but I am always in snap mode when I lay the beat marker.

 

When you guys say "round" though, I'm a little confused.

Presumably the beat grid has to sit on the beat of the waveform & if that's at 125.073 or whatever, how can you round it?

Or are you rounding the tune (speeding up or slowing down slightly) so it plays at a nice neat BPM?

 

Sorry, no. All my files are MP3.

 

No you are just correcting the bpm detection algorythm. If you left it at 125.073 you would notice 'grid drift' as you got further away from the beat marker (assuming it was a mp3 from a digital master not a vinyl rip, you were in 'snap' mode when you layed the beat marker and you lay it on a downbeat).

By rounding to 125.000 bpm the grid stays true to the actual beats/bpm.

 

that's strange (and maybe i'm misunderstanding something here) but the significant majority of my beatgridded tracks never end up at a rounded value.

 

Same on my tracks. Rounding only serves to make the grid on a track less accurate in most cases, not more accurate.

e.g. Detected BPM=128.862, Rounded BPM=128.90 BPM, After gridding is successfully done, Final BPM=128.871.

In this example the rounding would move the grid too far making the grid less accurate requiring further more radical adjustment by hand.

Phil

 

That's wierd unless they are rips... All mine are like 175.000 ish but all rounded to 3 decimal points like that example....

Some are at say 175.500 but only because the producer set the master clock that way in their software.

I can safely assume most tracks (from the digital masters) are rounded to this level so all I need to do is lay a beat marker in snap mode, then fine tune the position of it using the MIDI tick sound, which usually is very fast to do.

 

Ahhh OK Got ya now. We are talking about doing essentially the same thing. I noticed with high BPM stuff like DnB and Hard Dance that rounding worked better than with slower House Tracks. With House and slower tracks, the effect of rounding before adjusting seems to magnify errors, but it could also just be the way I do it, so typically I never use rounding. in the end you are tweaking BPM to get your grid spot on so that sometimes your BPM will be rounded but on other occasions, not so?

Phil

 

Although BPM should be a finite value, I'm starting to think that different software, drum mchines and laptops interpret the value in different ways. For example I have a track called "Timing forget the timing" Kerrier District 128BPM remix by Black Devil Disco Club which when correctly beat gridded on Traktor comes out at 129.***BPM. I also have tracks that I have made myself in Logic to a rounded BPM that once beatgridded come out to a different BPM according to Traktor. Whether Traktor gets it right or wrong who knows (or cares) as long as things sync internally?

 

Its all xxx.000 for me. It is extrememly rare to have a digital master at say xxx.004 for example.

Say for a 176 bpm track, Traktor may initlally guess it to be 175.769. The first thing I do is round, then snap a beat marker down about 2/3 into the track at say the 2nd 'drop'. Then I go back to the start of the track and loop 4 bars with a tick to fine tune the beat marker position. I never have to adjust the rounded bpm value, only the beat marker position.

 

There doesn't seem to be a way to emulate a right/ctrl mouse click with the hotkeys/midi keys so I have to use the mouse for some tasks (such as right-clicking on cue/play to enable a synchro start)

Changing 'loop size increase' and 'loop size decrease' buttons cause the track to go out of sync. These should be locked in sync so the DJ can dynamically change loop size without fear of jumping out of phase.

 

The Preferences/Audio Setup dialog box should have the option of choosing different bit length and sample rate for recording. Currently, I get 44.1KHz and 16 bit but it's not selectable. My sound card allows for uptio 24 bits at 96HKz.

This is a function of the host application, as it's selectable from other pieces of recording software (Bias Peak / Steinberg Waveleab).

Is there some inherent limitation that I'm not aware of? Or better yet, is there a way to configure bit length/sample rate that I don't know about?

If not, please submit a ticket for a feature enhancement in the future.

Thanks,

-vagabond

 

Mine too. Just set your card up to run at whatever you want and T3 will record using that bitrate. All my wav recording therefor comes out as 48 Hz to give some resampling headroom for fx/blending.

 

Yeah, that covers the sample rate, though I'm still disappointed that it can't do 24 bits (this has been a problem I've had for a while with Traktor). A DJ mix can fluctuate so much, and volumes generally head upwards as the mix progresses, that I'd really love the headroom.

And I suspect with a soundcard like mine that's 24bit only, it's just cutting off the extra bits without any dither.

Peece,
T. Tauri

 

I can't get Traktor 3 started. It loads up on my G4 Powerbook but doesn't analyze my tracks. I have Traktor 2 it loads and analyzes with no problem. Are they conflicting. Help!

 

More info needed...
What O/S version?
What Traktor Version/Build?
Any error shown at startup?
Any Crashdump File? (in userfolder:Traktor3)

This problem has been seen several times with a hacked version. Your version is not hacked right? Tyhe problem has also been seen occasionally on legit copies, just wanna be sure what we are dealing with.

Phil

 

I'm using Stanton Finalscratch2 on a mac book pro and i m having some cpu problems with DJ Traktor3 that i didn't have before.
Anyone ?