Traktor (Scratch) Pro - MIDI construction & Issues

dabassronald · Nov 26, 2008

Hi can somebody help me with a tsi file for 2 XP10's

Big Big Thanks!

DoubleStaxx · Nov 26, 2008

I got the Korg Nano Pad working and mapped out. I have it running the FX 1 and 2 on/off slots, next Hot Cue, Set Loop, Next Loop Length and Previous Loops length. I have the larger finger pad running the dry/wet signal of the chained FX. It seems that Traktor only recognized the Nano when I had the audio 8 hooked up as well. Oh Well........

lourma · Nov 27, 2008

dabassronald said: ↑

Hi can somebody help me with a tsi file for 2 XP10's

Big Big Thanks!
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Working on it for my XP5's but i think it will be the same.

Thing is thow that it will be taylor made for me...
for example:
in/out/reloop/reverse and break will be used for
loop-shorten/loop-increase/loopStart-loopStop/move-back/move-forward

But I plan to post it on a new thread for EKS XP5/XP-10.
(Is that ok moderators?)

BeLLy · Nov 27, 2008

DoubleStaxx said: ↑

I got the Korg Nano Pad working and mapped out. I have it running the FX 1 and 2 on/off slots, next Hot Cue, Set Loop, Next Loop Length and Previous Loops length. I have the larger finger pad running the dry/wet signal of the chained FX. It seems that Traktor only recognized the Nano when I had the audio 8 hooked up as well. Oh Well........
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I'm having the same problem but even though I have the Nanopad and the Audio 8 connected, i'm still getting no Nanopad showing up. Any tips?

popeye158632 · Nov 27, 2008

hello i have a mac osx with the traktor 3 LE installed in some ways when i open the traktor 3 and try to play a song wont play it can somebody tell me what to do

lethal_pizzle · Nov 27, 2008

popeye158632 said: ↑

hello i have a mac osx with the traktor 3 LE installed in some ways when i open the traktor 3 and try to play a song wont play it can somebody tell me what to do
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Post your question on the Traktor LE forum

simpsonx · Nov 27, 2008

Controlling phase view

Is it possible to assign the phase view (top of each deck) to a midi controller? since with the mouse we can control it back and forward. It is a very fine tool to make little adjustments to cue points, but i cant assign it to nocturn midi controller. is there another way to make this fine adjustments?
Thanks

shanksdk · Nov 28, 2008

LED flashing in sync w master tempo?

Hi

I'm setting up a button to control tap (master) tempo,

and I'd really like the corresponding LED to flash according to the actual current master tempo.

I've really tried to find the right assignment.

Among the "OUTPUT" group there seems to be a lot of visual feedback types (VUs) but nothing about beats and bars...

Strangelogiq · Nov 28, 2008

Does anyone have a tsi file for the korg zero 4? How do you even begin to make a tsi file?

dabassronald · Nov 28, 2008

lourma said: ↑

Working on it for my XP5's but i think it will be the same.

Thing is thow that it will be taylor made for me...
for example:
in/out/reloop/reverse and break will be used for
loop-shorten/loop-increase/loopStart-loopStop/move-back/move-forward

But I plan to post it on a new thread for EKS XP5/XP-10.
(Is that ok moderators?)
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If I just got the main function on my xp10's up and running, I can redo some thing myself! Lourma, can you send me your file, and I can make a general one for everyone.
Thanks

lourma · Nov 28, 2008

I'm a newbe on this forum so i can't send private messages.
My tsi file i posted i another tread:
http://www.native-instruments.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75235

dancefuel · Nov 28, 2008

tsi file for the korg zero 4?

Strangelogiq said: ↑

Does anyone have a tsi file for the korg zero 4? How do you even begin to make a tsi file?
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Hi,

I´ve seen it somewhere...make a search in the forum by ..tsi file for the korg zero 4...

tks
David

www.dancefuel.dj
Korg Zero 8; Xone 4D, Live7, TraktorPRO, TK LE, TK 3
MacBook 2.4

DoubleStaxx · Nov 28, 2008

BeLLy said: ↑

I'm having the same problem but even though I have the Nanopad and the Audio 8 connected, i'm still getting no Nanopad showing up. Any tips?
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I downloaded the midi driver from the korg site, only checked midi in in the setup, restarted traktor with korg nano plugged in, after that traktor was picking up the midi messages and i was able to map out the controls. its worked great.

djfunkshui · Nov 29, 2008

PhilL said: ↑

This series of messages will take you from the very beginnings with modifiers all the way through to advanced switching and control. Each of the message titles will be prefixed with lesson(?) number, This one being [MIDI Modifiers] 100 – Basic Theory

As you’ve no doubt discovered one of the changes to MIDI control is the removal of the MIDI pages. On the surface this looks to be a HUGE impediment to being able to do some really fancy control trickery, until you realize the presence of the new MIDI Modifier feature(s). When you first look at it, you are no doubt going to be scratching your head going “What the hell is this and how can I use it?” Think of modifiers as MIDI pages on steroids. They offer much greater flexibility, instead of just 4 pages you have the capability now to do essentially 128 pages. You can just map the controls you need to a modifier or all the controls if you want to emulate the T3 control model.

To start with modifiers looks like a confusing mess, and while its true the learning curve is steep, its fairly short, at least to gain a basic understanding. As already noted MIDI modifiers replaces MIDI Pages. There is no analog for Keyboard Modifiers sorry to say, (not yet anyway) but keyboard keys can be used to trigger MIDI Modifiers.

So what are modifiers? The easiest way to think of them is as a bank of 8 rotary switches. Each rotary switch can be used to select a single value from 0 to 7. The switches have the additional function of reverting automagically to default value of 0 once the button or knob is done sending a message and the modifier is not locked at the new value. There is a way to latch the modifier value, that will be shown in a future lesson.

If you look in preferences | MIDI Mapping there are several new pieces that go to making up the whole MIDI Modifier landscape.

1/ the first piece is to look at is when you click the Add Button, there is a new function group called “modifier”. It contains a sublist with Modifiers #1 – 8 in it. Each of these modifiers is MIDI trigger-able. You can use any control that generates a midi message to trigger the modifier. A common use is a button type control. When triggered the modifier has its value set to what ever is defined in the button options. Possible range of values is 0 –7. Zero is special in that its the default value, if no other value has over-ridden the default value, then zero is set for the modifier. This lists of modifiers lists all the available modifier switches in Traktor Pro. Its not user definable or changeable, it doesn’t need to be. The list of modifiers is fixed at 8. The list of values usable for each modifier is 8 (ranging from 0-7). You may think that is not enough for what you want to do but consider that each modifier has 8 possible values AND you can apply 2 modifiers to each MIDI control then you have tremendous flexibility. During testing I created working presets with over 800 Midi controls and throughout that I used just 4 modifiers and 4 values to do everything I needed. You could get much more complicated than that but trying to remember and understand your logic ladder later on will become impossible. The critical point to take away from this this section; when constructing your preset remember K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Stupid! Just about every single propellerhead in the world who sees this functionality and grasps its use will first construct presets that are totally magnificent, but so complicated and intricate that they will ultimately fail. We’ll cover the modifier control types and what you can do with them later. For now we’ll simply be using the hold type with a button.

2/ The second piece of the puzzle is the Modifiers section that has been added to the preferences MIDI Mapping page for every MIDI control. There are two pairs of items Modifier/Value, Modifier/Value. Well come back to how they work in second.

3/ The third and final piece is in the Assignments Table list, MOD1 and MOD2. These are the Modifier and Value pairs (noted in piece 2/) defined for a control. Each MIDI control you setup can have from 0 to 2 modifiers defined. Any control that has zero (0) modifiers defined will always work no matter what modifier is pressed. So, say for example you have your controller layout setup so that no matter what modifier is set you always want your deck volume controls to be accessible then you could a) add additional mappings for each state you have or b)not to add any modifier at all and its always accessible.

So to sum up so far:
Modifier Switches are listed as Modifier #1 through Modifier #8 and are also noted as M1, M2 ... M8.
All modifiers have a default value assigned. That value is always zero unless the modifier is triggered.
Mod1 and Mod2 are essentially list filter criteria. Say you have a MIDI controller that when you press a button that produces MIDI message CC1(ch1). You define a Modifier set to value = 1 (and set it to button and hold mode). When you press that button, Traktor first updates the modifier table it keeps in memory, setting the new value for M1 to 1 then it evaluates all the MIDI controls to see which controls are also assigned to message CC1. When it filters down to those controls, it next looks to see if Mod1 or Mod2 have an entry defined for that control. If nothing is set, the control works always, regardless of the modifier and value being set. If Mod1 and or MOD2 has been set then Traktor gets the tag/value pair for the control and looks up the modifier number (M1) in the lookup table to see what values are currently set. If the value in the lookup table and the value from the control (1) match, then whatever action the MIDI control says to do, actually gets done. If the values don’t match the control operation is ignored.

So now that we’re done with the theory lets do something semi-useful. First off save your current Traktor Midi preset by exporting the MIDI section in preferences.
To make it easier to see you may want to delete all your current MIDI controls after you have exported, you can import again after experimenting.

First control entry we’ll create is Modifier#1. Set it as follows: Interaction mode = Hold, Type of controller = Button, Value = 1. Do not set M Numbers or values for either modifier If you did then this modifier will get filtered based on those entries and this demo will not work. Use learn to set a MIDI controller button to this control entry.

Next Control Add a control entry Mixer | Key on, set it as follows: Interaction mode = Toggle, Type of controller = Button, Assignment = focus. Set the first modifier to M1 and value to 1. Use learn to set a second MIDI controller button to this control entry.

Next Control entry Add Mixer | Monitor Cue, set it as follows: Interaction mode = Toggle, Type of controller = Button, Assignment = focus. Set no modifier at all right now.
Use learn to also set the second controller button to this control entry.

Turn Learn off and press button 2, monitor cue will turn on and off. Key on state will remain as it was.
Press and hold Button 1 then press button 2. Both Monitor Cue and Key on will change state. This occurs because the Modifier Button is triggering the modifier so the filter gets applied, that means key on gets evaluated and therefore changes. Also, since no modifier at all is applied to Monitor Cue it always works. Take care later on when making your presets, failing to set Mod 1 or 2 to zero when necessary can result in unexpected behaviors.
Next step lets go back and edit the entry for Monitor cue. Change the modifier entry for MOD1 to be M1=0.
Now press button 2 and you’ll see the same behavior as step 1 above.
Press and hold Button 1 then press button 2. Monitor Cue will not change, But Key on will change state. This occurs because the Modifier button is now triggering the modifier so the filter gets applied. That means 'key on' gets evaluated and changed state since Modifier#1 = 1 now since Monitor Cue was set to on act if M1 = 0 , it doesn't get acted upon.

So that’s the most basic of setups. It should be enough to get you started experimenting. We’ll begin covering more advanced options in next lessons in the coming days. We’ll look at Toggling, Latching, Using multiple Mod values, Jog wheel scaling, control reuse, preset design guidelines and rules among other items.
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[MIDI Modifiers] 100 – Basic Theory

Thank you Phil, I was going nuts trying to figure it out.

autonic · Nov 30, 2008

DoubleStaxx said: ↑

I downloaded the midi driver from the korg site, only checked midi in in the setup, restarted traktor with korg nano plugged in, after that traktor was picking up the midi messages and i was able to map out the controls. its worked great.
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I did exatcly the same thing, but Traktor doesn't seem to be picking up any signals from my NanoPad? Anyone with ideas? Could my VCI-100 be interrupting things?

dp030 · Dec 1, 2008

Here are my current Trigger Finger asignments for Traktor Scratch Pro:

Picture (edited)

Blue = Global / All decks
Yellow = Focused Deck
Orange only = Global with Shift
Orange/Yellow = Focused Deck with Shift

chilly · Dec 1, 2008

dp030 said: ↑

Here are my current Trigger Finger asignments for Traktor Scratch Pro:

Picture

Blue = Gobal
Yellow = Focused Deck
Orange only = Global with Shift
Orange/Yellow = Focused Deck with Shift
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Are you using Enigma for anything?

dp030 · Dec 1, 2008

No, I just used TSP and the Trigger Finger itself. Some buttons have double functions - even without shift (see edited pic).

dj mutley · Dec 4, 2008

phil can get an example of how to use midi modifier
to use as shift key to reuse already used buttons on controller

thanx bud

brybythefire · Dec 4, 2008

PhilL said: ↑

Hmmm.... How say y'll? do you want me to put the lessons into its own thread?

Phil
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yes The Midi lessons in on thread would be fantastic!

Thanks so much!

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