TSP with Rane TTM 57SL Mixer?

I have been an online radio DJ for a while and have been using TSP as my program of choice for the last 6 months or so.

I am playing my first event at a club in about a month and am trying to get prepared for it. I visited the club and saw that currently they have a Rane TTM 57SL mixer hooked up that I will need to plug into. I read over the manual and it appeared that it would work fine with Traktor as a basic soundcard so that I could output two channels.

However, someone recently pointed out this video on youtube which shows someone using TSP with Rane and states that he is only able to use one channel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr1L6OnigNY

The video doesn't really give any explanation as to why but it now makes me concerned that I need to purchase SSL or just start practicing with CDs since Traktor may not be able to hook into the club's soundsystem via the 57SL.

Has anyone in here used TSP with the 57SL successfully. Do any of the members have hardware that they could test on for me?

I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks,
k

 

The Rane 57SL shouldn't work with Traktor SCRATCH Pro as a soundcard. To use the scratch functionality, only a audio4/audio8/Traktor approved mixer should work. Using one of these, you should be able to output your audio to any mixer that has audio inputs.

 

Thanks for your comment. I understand how Traktor Scratch Pro is meant to work and I own an Audio 8 DJ. However, the club has requested that we not rewire any of the existing equipment so I cannot plug my Audio 8 DJ into their system.

I am not interested in using the scratch functionality for this specific function. I simply want to know if anyone has tried outputting sound to the Rane via the normal soundcard drivers that show up in Windows. I don't understand why this shouldn't work. I was not aware of any requirements that Traktor has for brands of sound cards it will output sound to,

I would end up using either my CDJ-400s as MIDI controllers or simple keyboard and mouse control to control the program if the soundcard output will work. It clearly works for at least one channel per the video in my earlier link. If this absolutely will not work then I can't use Traktor to play there and need to start practicing with another setup so any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
k

 

Aha, you've thrown me with the Scratch thing. Check this thread out:

http://www.native-instruments.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87754&highlight=Rane

You may have latency problems, or you could try it with asio4all.

You should ask if you can rock up to the club before it opens one night just to have a test.

 

To update everyone, I finally was able to test out this setup today.

The mixer only does work in one-channel mode when not in Serato. The sound outputs fine however. I re-read the manual and it does state this exact same thing that it defaults to only one channel when Serato is not running. With my Audio 8 DJ though and a good MIDI controller I think I should still be fine.

 

Well that actually really surprises me. Serato even disable the hardware as well as the software if the correct combo isnt in action.

At least NI cards are universal soundcards and NI software works with any soundcard (not with timecode).

The more i learn about Serato/Rane the more i wonder why NI take so much sh*t about their DVS.

Im astounded that the Rane mixer cant be just used as a multi in/out mixer/soundcard as a stand alone.

 

I agree that it's super annoying that they do this.

However, they do it for business reasons. If people are unable to use the 57SL with Traktor, then they may buy Serato instead if they have to play with that setup regularly.

This club actually had a DJM-800 installed in the main booth, but removed it in favor of the 57SL upon request of their main DJ, This is the second place I have seen recently to do so. If this becomes a trend it would help RANE & Serato's market share tremendously in the long run, since it would encourage DJs starting out to go that direction.

So yeah, it seems ridiculous that people are buying this crippled hardware left and right, but if it continues to happen the main people who are crippled is us NI users unfortunately.

 

True. But i think these venues are short sighted. As Traktor gains a greater share of the market more DJs will be turning up at these venues with Audio 8/4s and need/have to patch into the/a mixer.

Clubs are wrong to constrain themselves in this way.

You could gig and blow the resident away , where will they be then. They have all this defined hardware and need to allow other DJs that are the future of the club to come and play. It will cost them in the long run.

2 of my main residences have at least 4 different mixers that DJs can request to use, Pioneer, A&H and Rane. Take your pick. Everyones happy.

 

I own and TSP and TTM 57, you can use both channels in TSP, but you can not use timecode with 57, i will try witj asio4all now and post what happened.
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Yeah it works with both channels but no timecode, it works also with asio4all drivers and ttm57 drivers, so you can use ttm57 as real mixer with soundcard but no timecode.

 

But is it possible to use the TTM 57 SL as an external analog mixer connected to the Audio 8 DJ interface and a pair of turntables in TSP? It should go, if you not connect the USB crap? Then this mixer become a regular TTM 56 with optional Scratch Live functionality.

 

It is certainly possible to interface with the Audio 8 DJ and RANE via analog cables. I was just unable to change any cables per the club's request.

And also, crisis.dub was correct, you CAN use both channels on the mixer with ASIO4all. I shouldn't have said I finally got to test it out before because it was really my friend who tried, and he apparently did not know how to use ASIO4all.

I actually ended up playing that way while I was at the club and have many times since then.

 

TRied but no luck

How did you get this to work. Do you mean both channels on internal mode, or both channels on the mixer.

I am trying to use the ttm57 as a 2 channel sound card with Traktor Scratch Pro

 

You need to install ttm57 drivers on your pc then in Traktor prefernces choose TTM 57SL (asio) driver, and voila, that is that, in external mode, it is like any other soundcard, if not set output like as on pic

 

Just a quick note for those who are worried about having to buy Serato if you encounter the TTM-57 in a club -- you don't have to buy serato. You can download it free off their website so you can rock it in a club if the proper hardware is connected. Of course, then you have to use Serato, this doesn't help you use Traktor (unless you do the Itch trick that was mentioned in another conversation, running Serato to play Traktor's timecode vinyl and routing it through Traktor), but you wouldn't have to pay for Serato. If you have access to Serato hardware you have access to Serato, is my understanding.

 

The biggest problem is the ASIO driver, it can be purposely crippled so you could not do this.

If someone could code drivers it would open some doors.