1. IMPORTANT:
    We launched a new online community and this space is now closed. This community will be available as a read-only resources until further notice.
    JOIN US HERE

Twisted Tools announces BuffEater

Discussion in 'REAKTOR' started by sonictwist, Aug 31, 2010.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. BeLLy

    BeLLy Forum Member

    Messages:
    109
    Crazy shenanigans ahoy! Top marks once again :D Well done boys.
     
  2. Loopy C

    Loopy C NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    1,265
    In case it's not clear, the effects are realtime ordered by when they are triggered...such that any effect can feed any other effect under realtime control (order in which it is triggered).

    Going to have at it this morning ;-)
     
  3. sonictwist

    sonictwist NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    258
    Thats right.

    Enjoy ;)
     
  4. arachnaut

    arachnaut NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    3,106
    I've been playing with this for a while now and it is wonderful fun!

    Somewhat similar to The Finger, but a lot easier to use. I haven't read the documentation yet.

    Each of the effects may be used by itself or in conjunction with the others.

    The inner structure is mainly Core cells which appear to be fairly easy to follow and clearly named. In other words, there's no attempt to obfuscate the design.

    The included sample map is very large (if you want to use it) and the internal memory buffers are also quite large, yet it uses very little CPU (about 8% on a 2.2 GHz machine), so you could use multiple instances if you wish.

    The little sample loop player included is also quite nice, I can see using it in other projects as a replacement for the tape deck.

    The knob functions are easy to determine audibly and experimentally.

    The modulations are smooth and without artifacts beyond the intended design. This isn't just great Reaktor design, but a solid technical design as well.
     
  5. Klinke

    Klinke Account Suspended

    Messages:
    513
    Very interesting effect(s).

    I saw the maschine-video( and another)..My Question to it:
    At beginning he triggers one effect with 1 pad. Then he triggers different presets (i think) with other machine pads (every pad has different faster rolls).
    --How does it work (how is it setup)?
    (i heard the effects are triggered by midi-notes.....but also different presets?)

    I've put it on my "to buy" list. Right below milk, sugar and chocolate.
     
  6. sonictwist

    sonictwist NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    258
    Thanks! My pleasure.
    ---

    This is actually a very good question. This is an included into package Maschine template with some cool tricks under the hood. Those pads trigger so called "quick values" for example 16 pads for Pitch parameter may represent Pitch +2, +4, +6, +8 and so on, with an instant recall.
    So you have the ability to turn on any FX and actually play this or that parameter.
     
  7. Klinke

    Klinke Account Suspended

    Messages:
    513
    Wow... thank you very much for the quick reply.

    *putting Maschine on "to buy-list"'* ..on page 365..
     
  8. sonictwist

    sonictwist NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    258
    Maschine is not the obligation of course. Its fun with any midi controller (even a computer keyboard) :)
     
  9. Klinke

    Klinke Account Suspended

    Messages:
    513
    Yes, i "plan" triggering different FX with pads or keyboard...but then i have to use knobs or faders to make these different rolls. (Or use the automation seqs)
    No problem.
    The maschine setup looks very useful(-musical)
     
  10. Loopy C

    Loopy C NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    1,265
    Been at it a few hours now...getting some very cool 'Eno-esque' groove treatments by 'phased loop triggering' of the individual modules and a basic beat (in this case 'Microtonic' as my source).

    The 'Buffeater' signal is in 'Gate' mode and then fed into a master effect (2C Aether/ 'Resonant FX' and dubbed back on to original signal...it turns into a nice improv-like sweetener atop the groove. More subtle than a straight out 'glitch' attack and nice way to embellish any beat with non-linear 'ear candy' :D
     
  11. Soarer

    Soarer NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    393
    I am interested in the sonic possibillities of buffeater. It surely looks great.
    I already own Effectrix and The Finger so are the effects in buffeater any different than these apart from the automation of each knob?
     
  12. sonictwist

    sonictwist NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    258
    Hi there, thanks for your questions. I'm not an expert on Effectrix or The Finger, but I'll try to answer and highlight the differences. They are all excellent devices and serve their purpose and I can't speak for them with authority. Perhaps others can chime in?

    Though the products you mentioned are similar, the sound of each device, the effects and functionality are quite different. The Finger is playable, dynamically ordered and has several knobs whose destination changes as you play (which means you can't automate all effects simultaneously). Effectrix does similar things, but has internal automation/sequenciing and isn't dynamically ordered (as far as I know). Obviously Effectrix isn't Reaktor though, which is a bit more limiting as far as modification potential goes.

    Buffeater, has internal or external automation capabilities for all parameters simultaneously, has dynamic routing of effects based on the order in which you play, doesn't have internal sequencing, has some unusual effects, a Kore and Maschine template, sample library, beatlooper (time stretching tape deck) input (trigger) quantization and two playback modes (mix and gate). Mix mode is standard wet/dry behavior. Gate mode only allows the effect to come through when triggers are pressed.



    We are partial to Buffeater as far as sound quality goes, though our opinion is obviously tainted. :) Just like an EQ, you can't live with just one…each device excels in certain situations where the other may not. Perhaps someone who isn't connected to Twisted Tools can chime in?

    As far as the actual effects, there are certainly similarities. I think Feed Grains and Deconstruct are things you won't find anywhere else, though our versions of the other effects are unique as well. 3 of the 6 effects have a unique retrigger feature that constantly recaptures incoming audio at the rate specified. I'm not sure if the Finger or Effectrix have this.

    In regards to automation, each parameter can be automated internally as you mentioned which opens up many doors. Perhaps not as obvious though is the fact that each automated parameter has independent speed and length settings, which allows you to get some really insane and 'infinitely repeating' stuff if you want. Also, the automation lanes can be set to 'Envelope' mode which is also a unique effect. In Envelope mode you play an effect and it plays the automation lane contents only once and holds on the last value.

    Anyhow, bottom line is they're all cool effects and we certainly believe Buffeater stands on its own. Thanks!
    ---
    By the way, if you want to get in depth before purchasing, you can download the Buffeater documentation and FAQ here:

    http://twistedtools.com/productcontent/Buffeater/Buffeater.zip
     
  13. Soarer

    Soarer NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    393
    Thanks for the detailed info Sonic.
    Yes the retrigger feature was something that caught my interest and yes that is unigue to Beefeater. Good to hear that you are proud of your work.
     
  14. sonictwist

    sonictwist NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    258

    You're welcome!

    http://popsop.ru/wp-content/uploads/beefeater.jpg ;)
     
  15. JuanSOLO

    JuanSOLO Forum Member

    Messages:
    184
    Buffeater is the BALLZ! I was hesitant at first because it's 50 bucks and, did I really need another mashup device to go with the Finger and my BeatLookUp MOD.

    I'm glad I went for it! I really wanted the granular stretching stuff, and I haven't been able to find something this good that works as an FX only. I have Vortex, so I knew I would get pretty much those things in an FX style unit.

    I will say in comparison to the Finger, it seems a bit more stable, and the sound quality seems a bit better. It's minimal, but the Finger lowers the volume a bit. I'm not saying one is better than the other, the Finger is a wicked bunch of FX, plus its velocity sensitive, which makes the Finger ultra dynamic. However the Finger is missing what Buffeater is offering as far as FX and modulation making Buffeater ultra dynamic in a different way, yet Buffeater is not offering the same FX as the Finger. I'm happy to have both.

    On another note, BeatLookUp offered something neither the Finger or Buffeater do which still makes BeatLookUp a killer device. BeatLookUp offers and FX Send A and Send B for each FX. If you are using devices like this in Ableton Live, it gives you the ability to route those FX Sends to other FX. For example you can have the Jump 1 going to a reverb or something, and the Jump 2 going to Delay or something. So when the Jumps are fired they "send" to those FX which you have them routed too. This gives you the ability to add even more custom combinations of FX that are triggered by the device, or each effect. Maybe it's because of the dynamic ordering that makes something like this difficult with the Finger or Buffeater, or maybe no one really thought about it. I had written on the Vortex forums a couple times requesting 2 FX sends implemented into sequencer pages, so the level of each square for that sequencer was like the volume for a send.

    ALL and ALL Buffeater is super impressive and I'm glad I got it.
     
  16. sonictwist

    sonictwist NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    258

    Glad you like it!

    Hey, actually I'm able to add individual stereo outputs for each FX in a multi-fx version!

    I really didnt have this in mind, and it sounds like a very interesting idea with lots of new possibilities. Let me carefully test it and think about it. If its good enough, version 1.1 will have this.
     
  17. sonictwist

    sonictwist NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    258
  18. JuanSOLO

    JuanSOLO Forum Member

    Messages:
    184

    NICE!
     
  19. faster

    faster NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    932
  20. Klinke

    Klinke Account Suspended

    Messages:
    513

    ...this effect has a huge impact when you put it on your "master-channel".
    Absolut fluid workflow, but the results are very unpredictable.. somehow. ;)

    -----------

    THX for the U/L upload!
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.