1. We're currently conducting systematic tests with the release version of macOS 11 (Big Sur) in order to offer full compatibility of our products as soon as possible. You can find our latest compatibility status - here


    Please note that although announced at the same time as macOS Big Sur, Apple Silicon processors are an independent release with separate compatibility concerns for NI products. Compatibility with macOS Big Sur will not yet ensure compatibility with Apple Silicon processors. At the moment, Native Instruments products are not supported on computers with Apple Silicon processors. Read more - here

    Dismiss Notice

Updated Traktor Kontrol Z2

Discussion in 'KONTROL Z2' started by hellnegative, Sep 12, 2018.

  1. sndrsklr

    sndrsklr NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    120
    Why don´t you create a mapping yourself? Better than waiting for one that in the end doesn´t even fit your workflow... Isn´t the midi mapping capability what Traktor has always been superior in?
     
  2. Scratch-E Con

    Scratch-E Con NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    244
    First of all, I don't have the knowledge to do this.

    Second of all, I don't think it can be done. I'm sure there are some pretty smart people out there but the DJM-S9 has been available for more than 3 years and I have never seen any proof of someone who got it properly working with Traktor.

    I like Traktor and I love my Z2 but by the time I need a new mixer I'll probably have to switch to Serato.
     
  3. sndrsklr

    sndrsklr NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    120
    It´s not as difficult as you might imagine. And for any questions there is the forum and/or youtube. I managed to create quite some complex mappings like that. But it´s time consuming though if you want to do it properly. But basic mappings don´t take long to create...

    It can be done for sure, depending on which mixer you choose you might have some limitations but those are locked by firmware only (for example the screen on the Rane 72). MIDI is a universal protocol and works the same way for every device.
    The S9 might be around for a while but before Traktor Pro 3 the only option to use it with Traktor was a hack and you can never be sure that it works properly if you mess around with the original code.

    I have the Rane 72 now and have been using Serato since because I just didn´t find the time yet to create a proper mapping for Traktor. Using timecode with the mixer and Traktor was no problem at all though.
     
  4. Scratch-E Con

    Scratch-E Con NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    244
    You are basically confirming what I said that it is impossible to midi map the most popular (Serato-only) mixers.

    I am happy to stick to my Z2 for as long as possible but if it breaks and there is no Z3 I am outta here.
     
  5. sndrsklr

    sndrsklr NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    120
    You keep repeating yourself... and how am I confirming your claim that it can’t be done by saying that I didn’t have the time yet to create a mapping? I was talking with a Serato product specialist about mapping it and even he said it can be done.
     
    Last edited: Mar 5, 2019
  6. Scratch-E Con

    Scratch-E Con NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    244
    All I'm saying is that in over 3 years no one has pulled this off. I will believe it when I see it. Until then I am steadily rockin' the Z2.
     
  7. sndrsklr

    sndrsklr NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    120
    I just remembered this video here. He‘s using the Rane72 mixer for a lot of things, he also mapped the pads for some stuff in Ableton which clearly is a proof that it in fact is MIDI mappable. He also just switches to Serato at some point but is using Traktor in the first part of the recording in conjunction with Ableton.

     
  8. Owner

    Owner NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    465
  9. Jherome DeGuzman

    Jherome DeGuzman NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    123
    I am patiently waiting for a 4 channel equivalent to a Z2. I know the Mixars Quattro is out there but I want it to be an NI offering. I will continue to use my Z2 until that day. Copy the Mixars Quattro like how they copied the Z2 for their Duo offering.
     
  10. D-One

    D-One Moderator Moderator

    Messages:
    9,117
    If they do a 4 Channel version I hope there is also a 2 channel alternative. I have been postponing updating my mixer for a long time, a bit scared of investing than a z2mk2 dropping out of nowhere...

    In the current market, the Z2 is looking really old now.

    [​IMG]
    The 3 top battle mixers all have a Serato interface built-in.
     
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2019
    • Like Like x 1
  11. hellnegative

    hellnegative NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    430
    Traktor's midi mapping method is quite simple and easy enough for any user to grasp. Also, DJTechTools has a plethora of third party mappings available for download.
     
  12. DjNocturnal916

    DjNocturnal916 New Member

    Messages:
    17
    I agree. Personally, I'm heavy into the NI ecosystem and i love Traktor but due to stability issues and the lack of support, I'm seriously thinking about moving on.
     
  13. D-One

    D-One Moderator Moderator

    Messages:
    9,117
    It's funny because I am considering the opposite for the same reason (I am on Serato for nearly 10 years) the only reason I haven't jumped ship yet is because of the outdated Z2 design...
    Battle style mixers are a niche market, I think NI might have abandoned it to just focus on controllers since those probably sell a lot more.
     
  14. DjNocturnal916

    DjNocturnal916 New Member

    Messages:
    17
    I hear ya. I guess at the end of the day, i rock on multiple platforms but i too would love to see an updated DJ mixer. NI has admitted that a new DJ mixer is there #1 most requested piece of hardware. soooo. C'mon guys, let's get crackin!
     
    • Like Like x 1
  15. hellnegative

    hellnegative NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    430
    With the current ability for Traktor Timecode to be used with any mixer, it doesn't make financial sense for NI to create a new mixer. You can get the same functionality out of a X1 MK2 as on the Z2.
     
  16. D-One

    D-One Moderator Moderator

    Messages:
    9,117
    Maybe for techno or similar steady beat genres that's true, certainly not for Scratch DJ's.
    Serato has Rane, Denon, Pioneer, Mixxars, Reloop, and Allen & Heath mixer-controller combos. NI has............... The outdated Z2 only.
    There is still a big market for the all-in-one solutions of a mixer+dedicated controller+interface.
     
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2019
    • Like Like x 1
  17. DjNocturnal916

    DjNocturnal916 New Member

    Messages:
    17
    Agreed, there is so much more that can be done with a new and updated mixer. the possible onboard functions would be welcomed. I think a new mixer would not only sell well but also give new hope to Traktor users.
     
  18. Anti-Skating

    Anti-Skating NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    47
    Tell that to Pioneer and Rane, which basically own the 'battle mixer' market. There really isn't any option under the 1400$ mark, and I certainly wouldn't buy a 1800$ Rane Seventy-Two and use 3rd party software on it, when Serato works way better on said hardware. Z2 is still one of the most popular piece gear among the turntablist/hip hop crowd due to lower price point and features...and DVS is still a thing, in case you haven't noticed.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  19. hellnegative

    hellnegative NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    430
    Mixars Duo is an intro option at $699. That aside, I see where you are going, but how many people are out there still using Z2's. NI missed the boat on this 3+ years ago. Most everyone has made the switch over to Serato from Traktor for DVS use and some even over to Rekordbox DVS (I am in that group).
     
    • Like Like x 1
  20. Anti-Skating

    Anti-Skating NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    47
    If you use instagram, there’s a ton of scratch nerds still rocking Z2s, especially the (non-US) enthusiasts who can’t afford to splash 1800$ on a mixer, but still want a quality mixer with a proven track record. The thing is, people who mainly just cut still use vinyl over DVS. After some initial hype, I haven’t seen Mixars anywhere, and after the Innofader fallout, a lot of people don’t trust them (not to mention Duo is a blatant Z2 clone).