Upgrade Please,Live Record"NI read this"

Overall ive been a happy kontakt user,but with the fact that there are now very similiar products(kompakt,etc),i say with a few exceptions it makes me a bit unhappy.So what i propose is ,can we please get a simple feature of realtime sampling capability within Kontakt itself ,something that for instance Spektral Delay does so well.I mean this would make perfect sense and make kontakt a real SAMPLER(which now its just a sophisticated sampleplayer that EXS24,Kompakt ,and its cousins could easily do ofcourse without the bells and whistles).This would really be useful in standalone mode(another dedicated computer?),where the world of true live sampling ,resampling could be opened,Yes this can be done with a third party app,but who needs more trouble??If anyone here agrees with me ,please sign this informal petition to upgrade.
Thanks,

 

No, I don't really agree. I mean, it'd be OK, but it would be such a massive effort for NI to incorporate something like that in that I would just rather it be done by other parties.

I record my samples in using Digital Performer (my recording software of choice) which offers me a huge list of editing features. I then export my samples into Peak, which is optimum for trimming and mastering the samples and doing loop points before loading into Kontakt. While sure, it'd be nice to see Kontakt have all that, they'd have to integrate editing features as strong as DP and Peak put together before I'd actually use it.

My feeling is, people who are that serious about sampling probably already have sound recording programs. Heck, you can get free sound recording programs off the web for both Mac and PC. Professionals doing sampling already have an arsenal of tools available for editing and manipulation. Kontakt is the sampler that actually delivers the samples in a keyboard-playable format. I think it's much more than a "sample player" as you suggest.

 

I'll just add that (no offense) I don't agree this should be a part of Kontakt's design - especially if it means increasing CPU for a feature you could do VERY EASILY with any sound editor/seqeuncer. And I feel that Kontakt IS a sampler - you bring in samples, map them to keys, manipulate Pitch, ADSR, Modulation - just because it doesn't capture live sound doesn't mean it's not a sampler. I think there's room to expand the term a bit, instead of splitting hairs over terminology.

Again, not being confrontational, I just don't agree with this feature request.

Best Regards,

 

Ok,fellows not to be confrontational,but your bummers.yeah you could sample thru dp-logic-peak like i do,but how many steps does it take to do that?3,5 more?exporting ,fine tuning?thats what all those features in kontakt are for,you see when im composing or writing ,personally i first worry about the big picture and then the details ,and sometimes vice-versa.I guess this comes to a point of preferences.And i dont think that such basic sampling capabilities introduce alot of effort for NI,thats bull.It doesnt have to have extensive editing-record features,whats there is plenty,just a freakin record button in standalone mode.Absynth has it ,spektral delay has it ,reaktor has it,come on.Maybe just tweakers dont care,but if improvisation,spontenuity in the acoustic realm inspires you then you know what im talking about.And regardless of what you say ,its not a sampler till it samples...
Peace..

 

What can I say? We agree to disagree.

I understand fully why you would want that feature - and if enough people demand it, well, that'll shut me up!

I just have to throw down with the camp that doesn't think it's a big deal, and that it's more important for a sampler to have rich editing features than to be able to capture audio. I geuss because you don't NEED a sampler to sample anymore - as in the Eighties - it probably doesn't even occur to companies to incorporate it.

Regards,

 

I guess ,since nobody here cares ill abandon this issue and remain MaD and move on.please pass the tissues,Oh ,and please dont mention professional sampling,cause its an illusion, professionalism could be achieved in many odd and not so odd ways as long as the result(some even say the journey) is yummy.The rate of speed and individual working preference,among other factors(gear,taste,social,etc) to that progression is what seperates the fresh to not so fresh yumminess.







"Im not a professional or anything"
Laurie Anderson.

 

Hmmm - this seems not unreasonable. While I think it shouldn't be a priority (since sampling can be done via other programs) I can imagine such a thing to be very handy to quickly produce and instrument. Ideally, you'd make a zone, click on a 'sample' button and this would record any sound from the inputs, trim & normalize it automatically, save it and put it on the zone you started with.

 

it's opening a bag of worms.

if they implement a quick and dirty version of recording, people will ask why can't it do x or y, if they provide that then they'll want z.

I agree it *would* be nice, however I'd hope they'd use their limited development time making more sampler specific features.

 

Tony,
Agreed on some of that,i get like that sometimes but i dont see anyone complaining about Spektral Delay,Absynth,or Reaktors recorder,surely i wouldnt,"limitations are key to creativity,passion"Stravinsky.The recorder could be simple, in that as it records it writes a wav,aiff,etc files giving you the option of throwing it into a third-party app ,or like Marc said it can be directed to a new zone.I see quite possibly there would be no use of this in country music.And if i opened a can of worms,good ,they do provide alot of usefullness in the enviorment by digging thru dirt and thus providing nutrients to our planet which then ofcourse benefits us.

 

Kompakt as Sample Editor

Let's take this example to an extreme:

If Kontakt was going to be a full fledged editor and recorder, then it would need to host vst plug-in effects for destructive editing. How would that work when running Kontakt as a VST? It wouldn't.

Peak and Spark and all the other editors do it right and give you the screen real estate and plug-ins to work easily, zoom and such.

NI is busy enough getting their own software to work with all the different plug-in standards. If you asked them to make Kontakt a VST/DX/AU/whatever host, we would never see any other updates and it would be a nightmare. Let NI do what it does well: make sound modules that fit within host software (or next to it). Leave the sound editing to others.

Jason

 

Oh boy,with extremes like that???foorrgeettttaa abbout itt..

Its been fun....

 

I don't see much use for sampling inside Kontakt. I'm more comfortable with a full-screen, fully featured destructive sample editor (Soundforge / Wavelab / CoolEdit) any day, and I suspect that goes for most of us.

 

ok,my last dumb post on this,
if you read my initial thread ,i mentioned for those who agree to write,not those who provoke me to further provoke them by writing how much you dont need it,thanks but i coulda fiquire that out myself. So ,i guess ill take my ideas to the next-level,and close the chapter.And remember with in us all exists a little troll who should not be fed.

Peace...

 

Aww, come ON! Of course we're allowed to object to a feature we don't support. Otherwise it might give the impression that everyone wants it, and that's evidently far from true.

 

Yeah - sorry, we have to voice our dissent - otherwise how would NI know that there are people against it?

It's just friendly debating.