Using Kontakt kits in Maschine

Hi all. Still pretty new to Maschine, but learning all the time.

I have several third party libraries for Kontakt, mainly drum kits. At the moment I'm using them by opening Kontakt in the Maschine software, loading the instrument as a single sound and then playing them in keyboard mode. I was wondering if there was a better or more straightforward way to use them, particularly in terms of tweaking the individual sounds.

Cheers

Ron

 

Have multiple outs coming from Kontakt and then on slots 2+ in your maschine group set the inputs to each of the Kontakt outputs. Did you mean more than that?

 

Sorry, you'll have to bear with my beginner's confusion here.

I've looked into multiple outs as described above and can see how that works for getting a Kontakt multi on the same Maschine group but am unclear how this would work for an individual Kontakt instrument.

At the moment if I load up an instance of Kontakt on the first sound in the first group and then open up a kit instrument, I can change to keyboard mode and get a different drum (or whatever) per pad. This is great, but what would be nice is if I could somehow treat it like a Maschine-specific kit, where each hit had its own sound within a group so that I could for example add an effect to the snare but not to the kick. Is this possible without delving deep into Kontakt?

 

No.
Not possible.
Unless you load a new instance of kontakt on each pad. And transpose the pads (right screen)

Theres prob some ways with MIDI channels and multiple outputs... but i dont think you can without delving into kontakt

 

Ideally loading any drum kit into Maschine, (especially it's own releases) seeing as it is a 'groove box' should be easy and give an end result similar to loading in a kit from the Sounds menu you would think and then spend a very long time wondering how on earth it could be that it isn't. In fact it's, (unless I've missed a hidden gem or two somewhere), a complete PITA and even after years of trying I've still not been able to find a totally successful solution.

Here is a video for routing Drumazon that is kinda useful in the fact that you can use the principles with Kontakt. I've found it helpful but by no means a proper solution. (There was another I found for routing Arturia Spark to Maschines pads that was also helpful but I can't find that now.)



If anyone has found any tutorials covering this properly please let everyone know.

One day maybe even NI will find the solution and let us all in on it..........................

 

^^ good vid. what need to do is have it as template and know that each time you load that Kontakt instrument, the mappings stick.

 

I find having to have the master channel as the first channel rather than being able to have it as your kick drum or whatever very unsatisfactory. i really cannot understand why this is so difficult for NI to produce a working methodolgy for. Working in keyboard mode is ridiculous for a pad controller and even more useless when you can't have mute notes. Do any of them actually use Maschine???????

 

What you guys are demanding is just not possible, in any DAW. If you want to apply effects to different zones/maps in Kontakt, you have to route them to separate outputs and apply effects on those.

You can't use Kontakt without opening Kontakt and setting up a thing or two. It is not hocus pocus magic

You can perfectly mute / unmute Kontakt instruments: set it up as a multitimbral plugin and mute / unmute tracks. As you would do in Logic, Cubase or whatever the hell you find so much superior.

 

And again as mentioned before, if you want to have kick, snare and whatever separated, you use pad transpose. Have SND/PAD 2 trigger Kontakt on midi channel 1 and transpose up/down the pad until you find your kick. repeat for SND/PAD 3. So yes you can perfectly mute/unmute sounds in a Kontakt drumkit with maschine pads. Just learn to use your f**** gear instead of ranting and yelling. Plzz "Do any of them actually use Maschine??????"
FFS

 

OP who is new to Maschine isn't demanding anything They are asking if something is possible and yes you can mute /unmute individual tracks when the drums are set up on different tracks but especially for new users the 'default' is to set up the drumkits in keyboard mode and you can't have mute notes in keyboard mode

See above
Ever since I have been on this forum people have been asking how to set up drums in Kontakt which for many is not as simple as it should be.
There don't appear to be any good tutorials as to how you route the outs back into Maschine. It in no way should be as difficult and unintuitive as it is in many peoples opinion.
. As I have said if you have found good tutorials showing how to set this up as 'elegantly' and simply as the result is for loading kits from the Sounds menu on this then please forward them. You could also perhaps tell us why you find that request so unreasonable.. People have been frustrated about this for years so IMHO it's not unreasonable to question how this can be so.

 

All the information needed has been given is this thread. If you go through and compile the information, the Maschine workflow ends up being quicker and more user friendly than your typical DAW.
I will summarize:
1/ setup a multitimbral maschine group with Kontakt drums
2/ seva your group as a preset
3/ load preset in other projects and change drumkits in kontakt
Additionally, to cycle through drumsounds in a kontakt kit, use pad transpose
You are limited to only 16 drumsounds because of the way maschine is designed

You can't mute / unmute in keyboard mode, because your projects would end up being too confusing