Using Timestretch almost feels like I'm cheating... LOL

This part of your post just reminded me of Madlib. In some of his tracks you can hear how he's stretched and mangled the low end, it sounds trippy.

I like it for some things, I guess it can just be treated as an effect when used creatively

 

Yeah. I stretched a drum loop to 170bpm (was 119) then stretched it back down to 119 to get a super grainy effect. Awesome. It can be used very creatively if you just think outside the box a bit.

 

I wasn't talking about jazz musicians working with hip production, was referring to working with jazz musicians who think they are special.
I remember when a jazz session was an enjoyable vibe.

 

You're completely missing the joke

 

Also can ppl stop bickering in this thread. Nobody gives a monkies, just ignore each other, we are talking about timestretching, you're going offline with that stuff just dropit before it kills the thread please

 

I think...

PERSONALLY...

I think... I WILL NEVER SLEEP AGAIN !

Completely amazing ! Finding time to sleep after the update is nearly impossible...

 

Good point, those early Jungle producers timestretched ragga mcs lyrics for trippy vox.

See Origin Unknown 'Dread Bass'

@ 1:19

http://youtu.be/Uj7EO2uVfDQ

 

People use time stretch in different ways and many seem to miss the real things you can do with it.
This was one of the things that killed the VP9000.
It had some nice tricks that other units never captured but was beyond what typical people were looking.

For me remixing is one of the last things I think about with TC/e, thus why I was glad to see NI added some tricks to their method.

 

Hey don't get me wrong, I love that N.I added TS. It wasn't huge biggy for me bc I use it as a plugin in live and have been stretching in there when needed, rare for me and can't afford the hi end stretching plugs

Ah I remember the VP9000, that thing died before it hit the shops, I remember seeing them on ebay super cheap, didn't the tech get used for the V-synth ? or at least the early models ?

 

Yea... I've never really used time stretching with my sampling but sheesh... Maschine has made it so easy to freaaaaaaaaak,

Lovin' it.

 

I would just add that the ultimiate point of this feature, and many other brillant ones like it, is so you're limited only by what you can imagine and not what you can create, not by that you can play.

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I don't buy the whole 'real musician' vs 'electronic musician' argument; maschine is just another awesome product in a long tradition where technology opens new forms of creative expression. Turning electronic machines into musical instruments is not a new idea; Adolph Rickenbacker put electricity into a guitar 100 years ago, and today, you'd be hard-pressed to find someone arguing that a guitar player's tone is cheating because he amplifies it with electricity. (And I bet some people thought that using effect pedals was cheating too!)

When people study music history in 100 years, MPCs and soft synths will be looked at as evolving technology in a line that starts with early electronic instruments, modular synths, and keyboards and ends whenever some cool new piece of tech makes the computer irrelevant for producing or making music.

If anything, maschine and other such electronic instruments allow people who don't necessarily read notes or scales the ability to participate in musical conversation. This is awesome, and should be celebrated. Time-stretch is no exception to this rule.

And for those who do speak western music, emerging technologies allows us the freedom to envision, simulate, and create musical contexts far beyond our proficiency at any one instrument, and far beyond the physical resources we have at our disposal. Last night I made a track with 12 saxophones... and it was so sweet.
</rant>


I'm a multi-instrumental musician for many years, and I think creating a really polished, beautiful, organic-sounding mix is just as technically challenging as playing the changes in a jazz progression. Different skills, to be sure, but who's to say one person is doing it for real and the other is 'cheating' ? Aren't we all in it to make cool sounds anyway?

Maybe I ended the <rant> tag a little early.

My 2 cents, anyway.

 

Amen, brother (as The Winstons might say)

 

Also, the fact of how fast it works makes you not even think about the fact that it's offline! I never really used timestretch that often in my MPC because the benefit wasn't always worth the time it took. I just chopped smaller and nudged notes to make them fit. Now, the way this is, you can stretch a sample as the sequencer plays it and it doesn't prompt you to save as new or overwrite the original and murder your workflow in the process. And it's easy to undo. So I'm actually really happy with it and may end up using it more than I though I would. Used it on a drum break yesterday and it was just flawless.

 

Wow, I second that emotion!

 

Me too, totally agree.
You will always find this issue in music. It happens in Photography, F1, Football, IT etc etc.
I have been making music for many many years now and anything that makes my life easier is VERY welcome. Why would you want a piece of gear or software to hinder your creativity, especially when an idea drops into your head at 2am.

It's true many 'real' musicians look down on their fellow 'electronic' peers, but it works both ways and many electronic musicians can be equally dismissive of the other crowd.

Hey, if I have to bang on the fridge door to get a nice snare sound I'll do it!

Too many sweeping comments are made about individuals, genres or styles, but that's what you sometimes get on forums.

 

C/S.....

 

this is a good idea. I'm going to try doing this right now.

 

Basketball bounce as kick drum is a good one too!

 

Timestretch problem

What's up people,

so i updated to 1.8.1 and wanted to use the timestretch feature but there's a few issues and i got some questions. Does the sample have to be perfect loops? i.e. exact number of bars? I sampled directly into maschine and the tempo in the auto beat detection differed on the same song but after recording different lengths of it. Second issue is what if i have more than 8 bars? and know the tempo by tapping it out and wanting to go from lets say 75-85 bpm. Maschine appears to fit the whole sample into 8 bars or less (what ever selected)... I thought we would have the ability to auto detect the tempo, and input the desired output bpm... Maybe i'm not doing it right.... But over all i'd assume the same song should have same bpm no matter if i sample 3 seconds, 4 bars or the whole damn thing... (Yes the song has same tempo through out)

Please help!