V2, well its all been a bit of a disaster if you use it as a plugin, imho

Yep a bit of a disaster and a disappointment for me. I had hoped for the same functionality and ease of 1.8 as a vst + improved performance of the 64 bit architecture. It's not to be right now unfortunately.

I will be trying a new workflow but at the moment that new workflow won't involve Maschine!!!

 

Yeah, i can't use Maschine when it behaves like this. I think i'll be "dragging and dropping" the audio (assuming that is that it works) for this project and working with Live and Push in the future, until these bugs are sorted out.

I can't believe these bugs weren't found during beta testing.

 

Is it as bad in standalone?

I've never used Maschine before but have live 8. So obviously I'll be using Maschine as a stand alone in order to learn it and wonder if I should just continue doing that if it's so bad as a VST.

 

The drag & drop is the biggest problem if you ask me. I am also using Maschine in Live and had a channel per Maschine group. Like this I could drag Midi out from Maschine and arrange everything in Live and still having the luxury to change sounds in Maschine. I do not really know what to do with the new Maschine. I even bought the Studio and for the moment it stands in the corner and my old version is plugged in.
I am kind of disapointed by this step and believe alot of others will see it the same way.
Would also like to know if and when this issue will be fixed because this is lame and makes Maschine less interesting for users who have Maschine routed into a DAW.

 

For me, at least, stand alone seems to work fine. It's just using it as a plugin in Live that causes problems. Seeing as i almost exclusively use Maschine as a plugin, this is a big problem for me.

 

Thanks for the reply. I'm sure it will be for me too as soon as I desire a function that Maschine can't perform but Ableton can.

 

Well, i've just contacted Tech Support about the issue. Lets see what they have to say about it (it will be interesting to see how long it takes them to reply given all the complaints that are surfacing on this forum).

 

Glad Im still on a Mk1! At least I can still get away with the old functionality loading a 1.8 plugin into live and then get enough of 2.0 to work as a second plugin within Live for things to be useful. Was mucking about with it this evening and will work for now. I'll miss out on accessing the new 2.0 kits with ease and drumsynth wont be of much use how Ive set things up but for me, my priority was being able to lay down drums into Live via Maschine (1.8) and to get better CPU performance of vsts within Maschine (2.0).

 

and a good chunk of it is just a very poor release


I'm not targeting beta testers, like I said many times they focus on the detail, whereas users focus on the workflow. I never said they had the power to change anything, ultimately thats NI, Im saying Arturia did listen. Though Id be interested to know if testers did report these bugs/omissions, and were ignored due to release deadlines.


were you one of the beta testers?

 

Ok, some more bizare behaviour when triggering scenes via midi. On certain patterns (a different one per scene) when the play head reaches bar 5, whichever note is being played will play louder and with what sounds like extra bass frequencies.

 

Even stranger, now that it's doing this new buggy thing, i don't seem to be getting the midi dropouts.

 

Today I tried another hour to setup Maschine 2.0 in Live with the idea to drag & drop Midi from Maschine as group into Ableton. I had no luck and am quite frustrated.
Really disapointed at the moment...

 

sorry - you have probably done this before - but can you clarify your typical use/working methods of using 1.8 in Live and say what specifically is not working with 2.0.

you say you use Program change does that mean you are creating an arrangement in Maschine and using Live to change the scenes.

do you ever use MIDI in live to trigger sounds in Maschine?

and with 1.8 were you using MIDI Drag n Drop for Drum kits?

i have time to investigate using Maschine 2 in Live tomorrow, so i just want to check your issues and say whether i can confirm them.

cheers

sowari

 

Well, i mainly use the midi scene triggering in Live. I make some patterns and scene in Maschine and then use program/midi notes in clips in Live to change scenes in Maschine, with all the sounds routed to different audio tracks in Live.

The main problems i've been experiencing is "midi drop outs". What i mean is i'll be playing a scene and randomly some of the sounds don't play. Sometimes it's just the sounds played on the first beat some times it's the whole first bar. Sometimes it'll be notes in one group and sometimes others, it seems to be a bit random.

Another bug i've noticed is that some notes will play back louder than others for no apparent reason. In particular in the project i'm working on at the moment, every time the playhead reaches bar 5, the notes on that beat will play louder (and i think with extra bass).

I also had a problem with one track with export and drag and drop. For some reason on a kick drum track, it wouldn't export the notes that landed exactly on the beat (i would have an audio file that just had silence on the first beat of every bar). I had to nudge everything over by one tick and then put it back manually in Live.

Oh, i'm also getting retriggering problems, in that sometimes when i change a scene using a live clip, it will play the first bar of the Maschine scene (4-8 bars) and then go back to the beginning of the scene again, putting it completely out of sync with Live.

 

Hmmm, just tried it again and the retrigger glitching and random midi drop outs seem to have disappeared. The wierd volume thing is still going on.

 

Are you sure you have not created a midi out loop? Midi routing has changed so the old trick of triggering Maschine with it's own pads without using midi mode will not work with the same settings. If you were using this trick it was creating a midi loop in 1.8 but Maschine had a funny way of dealing with it that broke the loop. What you described sounds like the midi looping back.

 

I'm not sure why that would be. The only midi being sent from Live is program change messages sent to the scenes (i even tried changing the midi channels of each and every sound to something different to the channel that the scene changes are reacting to, just in case).

 

Just because you may be running into problems doesn't mean you get to call them bugs. It's not a bug until it can be reproduced and verified as one.

 

Noiserot?

 

Anyway, just tried it again. And like the export problem i was having, it only seems to happen when the note is exactly on the beat. When i turn the grid off and nudge the note over one tick, the weird volume issue doesn't happen.