Vokator with Leopard anybody?

Well, just that: I'm with Tiger still and won't upgrade for a while, so I was wondering if anybody is using Vokator and Spektral Delay under Leopard and with what results.
Thanks.

T.

 

Any word yet?

Next problem is, where can I find a copy of Vokator for sale?

STUPID decision to abandon this product!

 

With enough demands, maybe they'll relaunch it. :-D

 

Wishful thinking - this is NI, remember?

 

Indeed, the reason why they made this move is beyond me.
There are companies out there (such as Eiosis and Sugar Bytes) which are happily supporting waaay inferior products, when it comes to compare them to the features Vokator had: calling it a "vocoder" was pretty understatement.
I want it back.

 

Orange vocoder for OSX Leopard/Intel!

Prosoniq announces Mac OS X Intel Plugin Product Line for 2008 (26 Nov 2007)

Over the past few months Prosoniq has been working on converting their existing Mac OS 9 / Carbon code to the Mac OS X Cocoa platform. This important transition has become necessary to provide new versions of their products for the 32bit and 64bit Universal Binary flavors of Apple's Mac OS X in 2008. Aside from several new and unique products that are currently being worked on the release schedule for the second quarter 2008 includes a new version of Orange Vocoder and the Prosoniq morph plugins for the Intel Macs.

More details on supported plugin formats, features and pricing will be announced at Musikmesse (March 12th-15th, 2008, Frankfurt, Germany).

 

It seems to work with Leopard...

I've just started up Vokator under Mac OS 10.5.1 (Leopard), and it seems to work. This wasn't an "in-depth"-Test, though - since my main audio-device (M-Audio Ozone) STILL does not have Leopard-drivers, yet (which I think is a shame).

I must say that I agree: It's a big shame that Vokator is no longer supported. In fact, it's the reason why I'm hesitating to upgrade to KOMPLETE 5 at the moment... It should just remain working, though, shouldn't it?

Can anyone confirm to me that Spectral Delay and Vokator won't break when I buy and install KOMPLETE 5?

 

i've heard people say that you can just use the K4 install discs and still install just those two apps w/out problems.

i am wondering about 10.5 support for them, though. it seems like the only issue was the installer and supposedly there's a workaround, but i haven't heard from anyone who's actually done it.....

 

I have Vokator and Spektral delay running on leopard.

Download the special Leopard installer from the NI support site.

Stick in your Komplete 4 disk.

Run the downloaded installer and point it at the cd drive when it asks.

Wait while it works things out for a few minutes then the installation starts, choose the two and it installs ok.

Cheers

Andy

 

@db0n3
I totally agree, it was the stupidest decision ever to ban Vocoder,
this awesome piece of software, from the portfolio. I'm sure there
still is a niche-market for this kinda stuff.

Best, Mars

 

Yep rediculous. I get the impression that NI are moving away from really interesting quirky stuff to more commercial ordinary. Shame. They are a pretty wfull customer service as well
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I can't get Vokator to work under leopard. it just crashes evertime i try to open it. even having used the leopard patch. any suggestions folks

 

Can you post the crash dump here.

 

Yep see below - I had to split it as it was too long for the forum
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Process: Live [4451]
Path: /Applications/Live 7.0.10 OS X/Live.app/Contents/MacOS/Live
Identifier: com.ableton.live
Version: 7.0.10 (7.0.10)
Code Type: X86 (Native)
Parent Process: launchd [71]

Date/Time: 2008-11-06 16:49:41.523 +0000
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.5.5 (9F33)
Report Version: 6

Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS)
Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x000000000000001b
Crashed Thread: 0

Thread 0 Crashed:
0 Vokator.MusicDevice.component 0x21d798f2 NI::CP::RAS2::isFullyAuthorized(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&) + 43842
1 Vokator.MusicDevice.component 0x21b32e02 NI::CP::RASApplication::initRAS(char const*, char const*, unsigned int) + 386
2 Vokator.MusicDevice.component 0x21ad4200 SpektralApp::init() + 52
3 Vokator.MusicDevice.component 0x21b4576b NI::UIA::AppModule::attachApplication(NI::UIA::Application*) + 59
4 Vokator.MusicDevice.component 0x21d54481 MainModule::init() + 417
5 Vokator.MusicDevice.component 0x21b45858 NI::UIA::AppModule::create() + 88
6 Vokator.MusicDevice.component 0x21b34427 NI::UIA:ETAIL::AppModuleStartup::init() + 23
7 Vokator.MusicDevice.component 0x21d53fdc StartupComponent::startup() + 60
8 Vokator.MusicDevice.component 0x21ac325e NIAudioUnitSynthEntry + 32
9 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x94543ded CallComponentDispatch + 29
10 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x94543dcd CallComponentOpen + 43
11 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x94542469 OpenAComponent + 449
12 com.ableton.live 0x0138f7f5 catch_exception_raise + 9252789
13 com.ableton.live 0x011a612b catch_exception_raise + 7248107
14 com.ableton.live 0x011a6621 catch_exception_raise + 7249377
15 com.ableton.live 0x00a3410c 0x1000 + 10694924
16 com.ableton.live 0x00a34561 0x1000 + 10696033
17 com.ableton.live 0x017eaf70 OMessageQueue:rocessAndSubMessage() + 190
18 com.ableton.live 0x00cb2bff catch_exception_raise + 2057151
19 com.ableton.live 0x0044fcce 0x1000 + 4517070
20 com.ableton.live 0x002114af 0x1000 + 2163887
21 com.ableton.live 0x0042d7be 0x1000 + 4376510
22 com.ableton.live 0x00769457 0x1000 + 7767127
23 com.ableton.live 0x00769a5b 0x1000 + 7768667
24 com.ableton.live 0x00df5d94 catch_exception_raise + 3380564
25 com.ableton.live 0x00552a2c 0x1000 + 5577260
26 com.ableton.live 0x007d8ea6 0x1000 + 8224422
27 com.ableton.live 0x005af45c 0x1000 + 5956700
28 com.ableton.live 0x005b10f6 0x1000 + 5964022
29 com.ableton.live 0x005b0c21 0x1000 + 5962785
30 com.ableton.live 0x004ff046 0x1000 + 5234758
31 com.ableton.live 0x005a5c6b 0x1000 + 5917803
32 com.ableton.live 0x0027a920 0x1000 + 2595104
33 com.ableton.live 0x000e7716 0x1000 + 943894
34 com.ableton.live 0x002739a2 0x1000 + 2566562
35 com.ableton.live 0x00402bce 0x1000 + 4201422
36 com.ableton.live 0x000a15c5 0x1000 + 656837
37 com.ableton.live 0x003fdd4f 0x1000 + 4181327
38 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x92472303 DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 1181
39 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x9247173d SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 405
40 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x9248e092 SendEventToEventTarget + 52
41 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x924a0268 ToolboxEventDispatcherHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 1208
42 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x924726bc DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 2134
43 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x9247173d SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 405
44 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x9248e092 SendEventToEventTarget + 52
45 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x924fac60 ToolboxEventDispatcher + 86
46 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x924f74ba RunApplicationEventLoop + 222
47 com.ableton.live 0x000a2304 0x1000 + 660228
48 com.ableton.live 0x00002486 0x1000 + 5254
49 com.ableton.live 0x000023ad 0x1000 + 5037

Thread 1:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9166b4a6 mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x91672c9c mach_msg + 72
2 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x02667f3f XServerMachPort::ReceiveMessage(int&, void*, int&) + 101
3 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x0265a4cf MIDIInPortThread::Run() + 111
4 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x0265e0d5 XThread::RunHelper(void*) + 17
5 com.apple.audio.midi.CoreMIDI 0x02668a1e CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 96
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9169c6f5 _pthread_start + 321
7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9169c5b2 thread_start + 34
---
Thread 2:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9166b4e2 semaphore_wait_trap + 10
1 com.ableton.live 0x00ed264d catch_exception_raise + 4283917
2 com.ableton.live 0x0068a970 0x1000 + 6855024
3 com.ableton.live 0x00e090ac catch_exception_raise + 3459180
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9169c6f5 _pthread_start + 321
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9169c5b2 thread_start + 34

Thread 3:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9166b4e2 semaphore_wait_trap + 10
1 com.ableton.live 0x00ed264d catch_exception_raise + 4283917
2 com.ableton.live 0x011ae966 catch_exception_raise + 7282982
3 com.ableton.live 0x00e090ac catch_exception_raise + 3459180
4 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9169c6f5 _pthread_start + 321
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9169c5b2 thread_start + 34

Thread 4:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9166b4a6 mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x91672c9c mach_msg + 72
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x900b70ce CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 1790
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x900b7d54 CFRunLoopRun + 84
4 com.apple.DVCPROHDMuxer 0x1b43e0fb AVS:estroyAVCDeviceController(AVS::AVCDeviceController*) + 297
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9169c6f5 _pthread_start + 321
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9169c5b2 thread_start + 34

Thread 5:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9166b4a6 mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x91672c9c mach_msg + 72
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x900b70ce CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 1790
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x900b7cf8 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 88
4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x92908468 HALRunLoop::OwnThread(void*) + 160
5 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x92908304 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 96
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9169c6f5 _pthread_start + 321
7 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9169c5b2 thread_start + 34

Thread 6:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9166b5c6 mach_wait_until + 10
1 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x94572c8b MPDelayUntil + 39
2 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x94572b1f Delay + 104
3 ...opellerheads.rewire.library 0x1b70b7e8 RWPUnregisterDeviceImp + 21574
4 ...opellerheads.rewire.library 0x1b726a5c RWPUnregisterDeviceImp + 132794
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9169c6f5 _pthread_start + 321
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9169c5b2 thread_start + 34

 

Thread 7:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9166b506 semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9169d84f _pthread_cond_wait + 1244
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9169f0d3 pthread_cond_timedwait_relative_np + 47
3 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x92917a4b CAGuard::WaitFor(unsigned long long) + 213
4 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x92919606 CAGuard::WaitUntil(unsigned long long) + 70
5 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x92917dab HP_IOThread::WorkLoop() + 759
6 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x92917aaf HP_IOThread::ThreadEntry(HP_IOThread*) + 17
7 com.apple.audio.CoreAudio 0x92908304 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 96
8 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9169c6f5 _pthread_start + 321
9 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9169c5b2 thread_start + 34

Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit):
eax: 0x0000001b ebx: 0x217ade13 ecx: 0x0000001b edx: 0x0000001b
edi: 0x1a0f9ef0 esi: 0x1f12bc60 ebp: 0xbfffe3b8 esp: 0xbfff6160
ss: 0x0000001f efl: 0x00010206 eip: 0x217b88f2 cs: 0x00000017
ds: 0x0000001f es: 0x0000001f fs: 0x00000000 gs: 0x00000037
cr2: 0x0000001b

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0x9113b000 - 0x91163fff libcups.2.dylib ? (?)
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do you need any more ?
None of this makes any sense to me so perhaps what I have posted tells oyu something. there is more though if you need it. I just don't want to fill up the forum if you don't need it
z

 

Ah- I see the dump's from Live. Have you run Vokator in standalone? All NI apps should be run in standalone immediately after an update or install, and before trying to use them as plugins for the first time.

Trash Live's preferences.cfg and run Vokator in standalone. Reboot your system and start Live.

ew

 

Ew got there quick!

 

I might not be right here though, Andy- my reading of crash dumps' spotty at best. Feel free to look and see what you think; you're much better than I am with this.

However, it won't hurt, and it could very well be all that's needed.

ew

 

well i looked up .cfg files and deleted the ones that had been created today. they were project.cfg. seems like that did not work. I tried then to open vokator standalone but it crashed. I'm not sure that i have trashed the right files. any other way that i would find them

thanks for your help on this. z

 

No- it's your preferences.cfg that you want to trash; it's in your Live preferences folder.

If I remember, in 7 you have an option to view your preferences folder (I tested the 7 beta, but I'm still running 6 myself). Use that.

ew

 

Ah... two seconds spent on the Ableton site's FAQs answered it.

Mac OS X: /User/Library/Preferences/Ableton

Delete the preferences.cfg in that folder. Done.

ew