We need Soft Takeover!

Hey,

i am really sad about my worthless user mapping

4 filters = Filter on Decks

Faders = group effects on units 1/2

each time i switch from midi to hid mode it sets controls to midi state!

i have not tryed mapping soft takeover to my midi map to see if it at least prevents the midi map to change to hid state but ill try it.

BUT

we need soft takever when switching to remix decks again.

it works but you have to be sooooo careful not to leave a fader up and you can just use it when your remix deck isnt playing otherwise you would have to set the exact state before switching back!

Ill send in a Ticket!

 

Yeah sometimes,It could happens,I am also facing the same problem in concern with midi.

 

the whole f1 is made for live not watching laptop.. so payingattention to the faders and having to guess how u left them on the other deck.. no..SOFTAKEOVER!

 

well just read that there is the same issue with the x1 since day one.

I think they simply cant do anything about it because its midi and another protocol.

Guess they realy would have been smart enough if they could have done it.

So im selling my F1 if they wont say smth soon.

ill wait for them to open up for all controllers and get one that will come out then.

ill bet with pure midi we would have no probs...

 

..logically the f1 protocol is also based on the same midi or sysex so it should be no problem... the f1 native mapping needs some function adding.. there is soft takeover from the contrlo management in user mode.. so should be no problem

 

well i dont think it will happen.

at least im not waiting for it.

It did not happen with the x1 even it was requested.

So i think it wont happen with the f1 either.

Also once they unlock midi map for remix decks the f1 will be too expensive compared to controllers coming out then.

So either price will drop or you cant sell it cause no one wants it.

Im torn between waiting and loosing money.

But since im not planing to use remix decks on regular basis just for filkers and stuff i think im waiting for a more flexible solution.

 

.. they dont need to unlock it. just to implement it..

 

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yes true! its not locked its not there.

but i bet that will happen before f1 gets soft takeover.

Its just too bad

 

at least they listen!

Mute / Stop behavior swap in 2.5.1

If the next update brings soft takeover for the Kontrol F1 its finally worth the money...

How can a company like NI oversee somth important like this?

How can you promote a controller with own midi maps that are completely useless because when switching back to ni protocol every setting jumps , you can either use it in midi mode or NI, hybrid is way too dangerous!

The support wont even get my point and ask ****ed up questions and has no deeper knowlage at all...

The funny thing is not a lot of people seem to notice the softtakevoer issue cause they just use the F1 in normal mode.

As long as not enough people care they wont do anything about it...

PLEASE NI SORT THIS OUT

and no i wont send in a new bug report as long as there are people in service that are not using the product on their own.

they open a word doc and ask standard questions.

THIS is a simple missing feature i dont know if its possible to fix...

IF it is i would like to keep the F1

IF not i dont

But since there is no Info since a long time and the x1 got the same issue i think its just real bad product design or they simply dont care.

At some point years back i would defend NI wherever i could but this time is over...

They start to get messy with stuff and that is pissing me off.

sorry had to let it out...

 

your language isnt appropriate at all. turn down your tone.

so, this assumption renders your "complete useless" comment from above ... useless, since for the most users it's actually very useful.

yes, me too, because the next time i see a posting with such rude wording you'll get an infraction. keep it constructive!

 

ok i got to calm down....

understood... sorry!

I am just pretty upset about the latest happenings regarding quality control.

Sorry for street language but i was pretty much in rage

My Maschine also has quality issues (loose knobs), there are plenty of s4 with broken faders.

But whats realy bad.. The units are not build to be serviced!

Its bit off topic but it reflects that some things are not well thought!

For every one who only uses the F1 for rmx decks i agree with you its very usefull!
But for people like me who want both modes you kind of have to agree with me until they fix it!

I got response from support that they took knowlage about the issue. But no word on possible fix.

I realy love NI but they start getting messy and their actually not giving me the feeling they are working on the quality issues on hardware site.

So Freshfluke sorry...

But i cant shout at my girfriend because im mad at ni so i let it out here which is also not ok.

I would love to be able to post that NI never fails. But i cant!

So back to track decks for now!

See you in a different thread im done with F1

 

also annoying in this context is if u have ur faders down and strat up traktor load a remix map hit play.. no sound before u put up the faders..

 

ARRRGGGGGH NI PEOPLES ASK HARD KWESHTUNS!
lols

 

.. turns out if ur F1 is in midi mode, there is someting close to a takeover. if u switch from midi mode back to the f1 mode after u have changed knob or fader.. at least the sound of the filter or volume remains until u touch the knob or fader. .then it changes to the position the knob or fader is at

 

After using F1 intensely for a couple of weeks ...

The current absence of any sane takeover mode seems a pretty obvious oversight or mistake. What a pointless restriction ... you have to neutralize all filters and faders whenever you switch layers or remix decks? .... kind of screws up the whole concept of controlling more than one deck with it or switching layers.

This is a awesome controller that is badly compromised by this omission. Personally, I want to use all layers to the max without having my mix jumping all over the place as I switch. MIDI/user layers are great but use is severely restricted by takeover issues too. Even jumping between 2 remix decks! ... come on (it doesn't take a genius).

Please, please NI, fix this ASAP. Such a nice controller for the job ... but the lack of soft takeover restricts it so much. Like driving a car without a clutch.

 

Use one remix decks for loops and other stuff you'd might automate (using one of the few and pretty limited traktor fx), then on the other have the stuff one seldom if ever really have any automation on. It doesn't have to be harder than that really.

 

.. nice a workaround.... but i think the F1 advetised being the new way of controllerism...

i dont know about u all but i haveto do too many thinks on one remix deck to constantly switch between decks... (shift rotate / where am i .. shift rotate .. where where i.. rotates.. shift rotate...


just make an F1 hybride mode.. where u can use the remixdecks liek the in the default mode. but add the optional function programming of the fader / rotates and small buttons..


OR open up the remix deck functions for 3rd party controllers...

 

A brand new Uber-hyped, state of the art NI controller ... and we're seriously discussing workarounds so the unit can switch from deck C to D?

I'd prefer this blatantly obvious design fail is fixed. The advertising hype states you can control multiple remix decks. I'd expect this feature to just work.

 

I could have sworn there is soft takeover when switching between decks.?
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Not perfect but no jumps. just having to find the spot before control is gained again. I will try later but I remember switching without big cuts or jumps.? maybe not?
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Even with soft takeover control does not happen until the fader/knob is back to position. Many people that are not familiar will still get jumps by trying to (for example) bring a volume down but go past the point of control then pull down. Or try to increase and the fader is all the way up but pull past again. Make sense? It still is funky even when implemented.

Still better than a huge jump or cut though.
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Oh and is volume/filter mappable per slot in the manager? cant remember but if so a cheap nanokontrol or anything with 8sliders/knobs could be used for the other decks (workaround I know) Actually having control over volume and filters before switching and after switching would be better anyway.

This is all said without the thing in front of me though.

 

i agree. the promotion was somewhat misleading, and i think errrrr dj's with little production experience, will find it amusing for some time, but i believe it's designed so you'll want two of them.. which I think is a kinda sucky practice..