Solved What is the point of Maschine? (I got the answer, I think I will leave the post so others can read)

Maschine is a pattern based production tool. Was never meant to be a DAW. If you prefer a DAW, then get a DAW

It's like buying a bicycle and complain it doesn't have an engine

 

D-One i'll cite DJ Shadow as an example od what yo can do with an MPC not to mention Hip Hop. Jeremy Ellis performing live on Maschine is awesome and there's a dude on YT who's finger drumming on the mk3 is next level.

I'm quite happily running a mk3 and a Jam in Live with a fully integrated set up that's tactile and hands on and most of all fun. What Maschine allows me to do is modularise my workflow:

I can go from standalone to full production using it throughout the process til i need Live, i'm focused on being prolific and cresting hundreds of ideas which Maschine is tailor made for but it also allow me to access the Komplete library in a very ergonomic, can't overstate how much easier the browser make my life when it comes to finding things in the Komplete eco system which is huge, like a dirty sub bass i loved on Razor.

The drum kits are fantastic but all i need do is load my instances into Live with custom racks themn drag and drop, bounce the audio or trigger other sounds. Sometimes simple is what you want. Great music is written on a piano and the same is entirely possible on Maschine. Don't forget who important limits are for pushing you to be more creative.

 

Hard disagree, i'm using a two instance setup with a Jam and Mk3 in Live, it's becoming the most intuitive set-up i've used in years and yes i've had a Push, iPad with templates and all manner of hardware grooveboxes, FL, Studio One etc etc over the years but then i've learned a whole new approach to music production in the past 6 months, which, believe it or not, Maschnier is perfect for otherwise i wouldn't haev bought a Jam and that's been the cherry on top. Remember, somew producers like to work with Mascchine standalone, i do cause i have a condition called ME; some days my brain don't function so well and i need the path of least resistance to create and Maschine fits that roel pefectly, then when i'm ready i can fire it up in Live and continue working on it.

Just like a band/lead singer start writing ideas on their acoustic guitars and record the demos before they take them into the studio. You as a creative individual can make anything work and use things in any role you want. If you're not digging Maschine then move on and find what does work for you?

 

This is my mindset; if xyz tool doesn't fulfill a role in xyz set up i find something that does.If i'm enjoying using it and get a lot out of it that's enough. I don't need a cello to be an orchestra etc just like i don't need Maschine to be DAW. YMMV.

 

Nice guess with the hate thing, but totally wrong.
I don't have to hate Maschine or Love it. I think it can be better. But what I do hate is repeating myself.
I want to be able to finish my song on Maschine, I can't?
Can I use my Maschine library and hardware in any other platform?
Why not?
Why is it against the bible for Maschine to improve? Why people get so defensive about it.
If NI ever makes Maschine able to add vocal, mix, master.. I want the list of all the people here who say IT SHOULD NEVER be able to do that and deny the full version access to those ppl.

 

That's a good mindset. But I don't like it.
I like improvement.

 

Good call. 100% agree that Maschine is a great tool for being creative and laying out stuff.
All I say is it would be sick if we could do everything in that easy platform if we chose to. If we are not able to, I wish it was easier to import my midis to another daw where I could.
Imagine having access to an arrangement section, dropping effects etc.
It is the way it is for now, but do we HAVE to just be satisfied with a halfa** software. My way of looking at it is that ut can definitely be better.

 

Im definitely one of those ppl. I love my Maschine to death. I just wish it was the only program I used. I don't like jumping back and forth between softwares to say add vocal.
I know I can not di it on Maschine, but that would be dope if I could...

 

DEMO

 

The more I read, the more I become convinced you haven't put much time into using Maschine.

As in "demonstration", demonstrating what the Maschine software can do. In this case, demo does not mean "rough recording of an unfinished track".

 

Me too!

Progress has got us to where we are now, never a better time to be a music producer but all i mean is use it for what it is now. Get making music, smash it in the studio, get the music out there into the world cause that's the most important thing.

NI need to step it up on the software side big time though, i don't get the heel dragging on that side but having a whole suite of amazing hardware; why has the software not been scaled up like the hardware? A simple thing like independent loop lengths in scenes for fills and transitions would make a huge difference but i can work around that.

Remember, timeless music has been written, mixed produced and released on much less sophisticated equipment. Maschine in Live gives me the flexibiltiy i need, get default racks set up to laod you Maschine instances, set Maschine up for a workflow that you can adapt. I ca use it at least 6 different ways in Live; drum machine, sampler, fx unit, step sequuncver, omnichord style synth, sound design generative tool etc.

 

cool. so we solved what was the point of maschine.

 

Oh for Pete's sake. If they keep adding more and more "DAW features", the thing will use more and more CPU and eventually people will start complaining about performance issues.

If features that were advertised are not in your unit, contact Native Instruments.

You purchased a glorified drum computer / sampler, you didn't buy a DAW. End of story.

You sound like a troll more than anything. That or a 14 year old spoiled boy/girl.

 

Just wait a few months, maybe a year..NI is working very hard to make it all happen. So you can make a song from start till finish with only the maschine software. They have made big changes in the last update. It is a big learning curve so be prepared! Good luck and happy music making!

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Well when I ask for improvement it doesn't mean I throw my maschine in the toilet bowl and flush it down.
I am using it for what it is. While saying how I think it can be improved

 

Would it kill innocent people if it got updated with some daw features?

I like your bicycle analogy! Imagine when the first motorcycle was created. Someone yell at the engineer: Hey!!! You stop putting engine into bikes ok!! Bikes are not meant to have engine... that would suck!
There would be no Panigale V4!
Or when they created a plane! Someone say: heeeeeey!!!! Stop trying to make cars fly you evil ....!!! Cars aren't supposed to fly! Take em for what they are!!!! (Angry Face)
I'm sure there were people back then with that mindset too as they are now! The good ol' "if it ain't broke don't fix it" or in this case, don't you dare fix anything!!! (Angry Face)
Relax people!
You never know, Maschine with full daw capabilities might actually be a good thing!
We don't know, but that doesn't mean we should never dare to explore!

 

You're mixing your point of "why even use maschine" which implies it's pointless to use it in the first place with the fact that machine could be better! We will all agree it could be better and there's a ton of room for improvement, that's undeniable but that goes for anything, including DAW's...
Imagine me saying - "DAW's are pointless because I can't access 90% of its features via a controller", it wouldn't be a fair statement... People are defensive because your "it's pointless" tone was a bit offensive. (not to me... IDC.. or I wouldn't bother to reply.)

Your point about adding vocals or full tracks is what's being worked on right now, and, if all goes well you might see an update dedicated to this issue this year. Even when that's released there will still be a ton a problems to fix... Go to any DAW forum and you will see 13482478 posts complaining about the lack of "XYZ" feature, that's how it goes...

I don't want to be the devil's advocate but that's not a valid point, all the complex DAW's I've tried (and I've tried nearly all) have a lot more features than Maschine and are much, muuuuuch more CPU efficient. Maschine doesn't even have hyperthreading support... CPU efficiency is generally about how development is approached and implemented rather than the amount of features.

 

I agree with you and I honestly hope so! I love so much thing about Maschine and NI thats why I don't give up on them!
I think they are moving towards that direction. I do notice better improvement in each updates. But boy am I excited to mix vocal on my mk3! That would be the day!

 

why should you have to use live?
why should we never be allowed to do everything in Maschine?
I'm with you 100%, on every great thing u said about Maschine.
I just think it would be great to stick to one sw.

 

I agree with you, Maschine is not pointless
It would be more pointful (I just made up a word) if it did everything we talked about.
I guess there is a sort of anger and hate towards the word DAW in the Maschine community. Somehow for something to be a DAW is so aweful.
I honestly don't feel that way.
Its my opinion tho, a Maschine with DAW capabilities might start walking around killing people! We never know!
Just kidding ))