Solved What is the point of Maschine? (I got the answer, I think I will leave the post so others can read)

i came Maschine knowing how to structure a song...
i didnt buy maschine to teach me about about music

I started on Garageband and Logic Pro a much more complex piece of software....

there is nothing hard about the patterns and scenes layout, its fairly straight forward, if you go back through all my posts here you will see i have said the same things here for years....
I was formally taught music, and this is another tool....

 

I have 20 fingers to play.

Maschine is not a DAW, but despite that it is possible to make a song in it relatively easily. But of cource, not all types of songs... But 100% electronics.... Why not? But, it is the truth, that there is a large field for improvements...

 

How did it lose 4 of them?

 

You got me!

Because Maschine has 12 Pads, and we only have 10 fingers, that doesn't mean you can't play it!

 

i stand by my original statement. It is highly unlikely that you finished 5 *quality* beats to absolute
completion within the first night of owning maschine. Stop exaggerating and propping up your skills by downplaying maschines limitations and weaknesses.

 

They really need to take that step forward.

 

People were saying this 10 years ago.....
so........when?

 

This post is even more relevant now ...with the Logic 10.5 update

 

Meanwhile, in the Ableton camp, people still try to persuade the Abes that they really need to look more into Fruity Loops, errr, sorry: FL Studio.

Honestly? The whole thing, and I mean the whole thing about people complaining or whining about a product not being more like something else is actually.... nothing more but pure comedy.

Riddle me this... what do Ableton Live, Reason and Maschine (the software) have in common?

Answer: people advocating that the sequencer (or the whole product) is "bad" and should be more like "$other product". In the past 10 years I've seen the same nonsense in pretty much all "audio communities" (as I like to call them) which I participated in. And my opinion never changed: instead of focusing on what a product cannot do try focusing on what it can do and exploit that. Or... actually learn how to use it and then come up with suggestions on how the product as it is could become better.

Oh, and this isn't just me being negative to all the poor souls out there who want "more". Nah. I'm also basing myself on the rules within the community around my favorite server OS of FreeBSD. It is for very good reasons why they plain out banned topics about "why isn't FreeBSD not (more) like $other_product". Sounds harsh? It isn't. Not for a free product like FreeBSD nor for something you pay for like Maschine. And I say that because N.I. actually allows you to demo the whole thing. I grabbed a Mikro at first, it wasn't for me and I could return it no questions asked. Of course I ended up grabbing an Mk3 and then got a Mikro anyway to expand on my setup but eh

Now, don't get me wrong here.. I'm not saying that negative opinions aren't relevant. They are. But comments like those shared by the OP are plain out flamebait in my opinion.. There's a big difference between sharing constructive criticism about a product or trying to burn it to the ground.

Maschine definitely isn't perfect, but for many users out there it's perfect in its own way. As are Live and Reason, for me at least. I'm pretty sure that my often shared comments get boring over time, but seriously.. for me the combination between Live, Reason and Maschine truly is a "power combo". Heck, maybe I should share a vent about that

Thing is... they're all seriously different. Knowing how to use Live does nothing for you when you pick up Reason and knowing both them won't help you much with learning Maschine. And that's just the way I like it.

And the best part? I'd argue that Reaper is very much profiled against common DAW usage. I most certainly recognize plenty of similarities from my Samplitude days. Yah... even if you're fully familiar with all three previously mentioned products then... better not expect to use Reaper "just like that".

It's not the products which need changing, it's people's mentality that they can "just" use stuff without learning. IMNSHO.

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I dont even use FL and I agree with those people, they should and they do, as should FL look more into Ableton. Every software should absolutely look into the competition and attempt to implement ideas if they make sense in that software... The making sense part is often subjective tho. Heres a practical example:
FL was the first DAW I've seen that could display several midi clips over each other, Ghost Notes they called it, much, much later in AL 10 "multi Clip editing" was added; Reason and S1 also added it and now it's becoming a standard feature... And guess what... I want it in Maschine, that doesn't mean I want Maschine to turn into a DAW or into FL Studio tho.

So... At the end, you're saying it makes sense to complain/suggest changes as long as the user has "learned how to use" the product but at the start you're saying asking for things is "complaining or whining" and "pure comedy"... so... which one is it?
Common sense tells me that if it's nonsense or valid will depend on what's being asked/complained about.

The unhappy minority will always be louder than the happy majority, that's how it is especially in an official forum. In non-official communities, if you complain you often get flamed with "Stop crying online and go make music" because somehow wanting more = one does not make music... now that's nonsense. Do we really want kumbaya gathering of everyone saying how awesome and good as-is a product is while we roast marshmallows? It would be a fanboy club.

With that said a big percentage of complaints do come from a place of ignorance, whether by not knowing the product well enough yet or by not understanding it's strengths or purpose but generalizing is silly, quite a few people know what they're talking about especially in regards to the Arranger, disregarding that because the Arranger is fine for *you* is nonsense to *me*.

 

Seriously?

Of course I am not saying that. I suppose in a literal sense but I would definitely expect a mod out of all people to understand the meaning of a post vs. the possible implied rules. I guess I was wrong. Sorry, I go for intent of the rules vs. their literal meaning, even if that means screwing up horribly. Aka: don't read between my lines, there's nothing there.

Since you insist I shall spell it out for you... I would deem this common sense (your own words, which will show soon enough) but yah... IR confused.

Things look greener on the other side of the hill. It is a given. Plenty of people pick up on a product thinking it'll be the solution to the whole universe, end up disappointed about details and then the whole thing sucks. Even though (this is the hidden part) most people go fine by it or even love it (you know why most of my first posts end up being appreciated? Because most people take the good stuff for granted. I don't.).

So yeah.... when people post in a degenerate manner and continue.. I am pretty certain what's up. Especially if they express issues which anyone who actually knows the product at hand could have seen coming.

I also never stated that "asking for things" is pure comedy and yes: I take offense to that accusation and misquotation.

(edit): what I DID say... you didn't even bother to follow my link otherwise you would have understood. In my time as mod I followed every possible option, guess that's too much effort these days.

No... what I said was: buying a product and shortly after more or less demanding that it should be more like "another product" is bad comedy. Nothing more or less.

 

ShelLuser I just saw your report, I never had anyone reporting me before, I am a bit baffled, to me it was just a conversation and I actually agree with most of what you said, just not all... For me, a forum is a place open to discuss and disagree.

I did not call you a fanboy or it was my intention to insult you in any way, I'd never do that, momma raised me better than that, it was an example of how a forum without complaints would look like, not what you specifically as an individual currently look like. I see you're deeply offended, I am not to proud to say sorry, so sorry if I hurt your feelings, genuinely, this is not sarcasm...I did click your link and understand the point, that 'too much effort' part was uncalled for but I get that you're upset. I certainly do not wish to make the forum uncomfortable for anyone or drive anyone away so the fix is simple I will just not ever quote you again.

 

Yess. NI please read this comment and make it happen.

 

I agree 100%. Can't wait to see those updates in Maschine. What bothers me is going back and forth to multiple softwares to do what you mentioned. If all of those things were in Maschine, my workflow would be come twice more efficient and honestly I don't see any reason to used any daw.

 

Great point, I'm sure it will take some time for Maschine to have what happened to reason, and over time we will learn as it gets updated.
One area I want Maschine to maintain is its easy workflow.
Push 2 is good too, but I don't want to miss the awesome sounds that come with Maschine. For me the sound library is as important as the workflow and I don't want to miss it.

 

No one said anything about Maschine making beats by itself. You didn't read a single comment here nor did you read my post.

 

Relax. Everyone can have an opinion.
Don't take it personal if we suggest improvement on Maschine or if we criticize anything about it. Also dont assume that if we suggest say an update with added automation it means we just bought Maschine 2 seconds ago and posted it here.
Its actually been 3 and a half seconds. Just kidding mate. Chill

 

Right on

Man you are the mod and you are defending our criticism and right to criticize. Massive respect to you sir.
Cheers

 

How dare anyone ask ableton to add a good sequencer like the one in FL?
It's a free world. Thats the whole beauty of the internet. I agree with those who want fl style sequencer in Ableton or logic. They are not comic nor whining. They are the people that push Ableton and logic to become greater than they are.