what new vintages modes would you like to see

i put maschine head to head with my friends sp, your self proclaimed definition is terrible, my friend put his sp on ebay the very next day.

 

I put my SP on eBay over 8 years ago and it had nothing to do with the fact that you can find SP drum kits everywhere. I find what Maschine does to samples in these vintage modes unusable. I can't really understand what there is to like about that sound.

This debate was on the Gear Slutz forum. There was a forum member that has an SP and says that his SP sounds nothing like what Maschine does in its vintage mode. Feel free to debate with him.

 

SP mode sounds nice! You have to pitch the sample to hear the effect like the real thing. Don't have one here to compare how accurate though. Just know the 60 is a bit off.

 

i have seen the my mpc sleeps now thread, and also i have seen all the Propaganda in that thread, how you gonna base your assumptions without a/b both devices,
i know i did?

so for me it boils down to not being able to take your views, assumptions and opinions on the vintage modes seriously.

 

All these vintage mode does is add some static to the sample. The SP and MPC 60 modes sound only slightly different..but still sounds terrible. IMHO, it is just a gimmick. I have MPC 60 samples, and they don't sound terrible like this emulation.

As far as propaganda, I don't care if Akai, NI, or Roland creates the ultimate product. I want a tool that addresses my needs. I acknowledge that no one tool will probably ever do that, so I use the best at what's available and give feedback to these companies on what I feel needs to be improved. Sometimes they listen and sometimes they don't. But at least some of my feature requests made it into products by all of these companies. Now they are better tools now then they were initially.

So we are talking about other vintage modes? If NI worked with the companies that made those samplers in order to replicate their sound, then they would have something (see Universal Audio and their emulations).

 

i think you fail to understand what the actual emulation is doing,

the vintage modes replicate the output of the device, so having the samples off a akai disk does not automatically mean thats how they sounded outta the mp, when you run those drum sounds that you think sound so great through the mp , sp1200 the sound changes, and will not be the same as the original format,

what you are hearing outta maschine without no vintage mode, is clean and precise, the same drum sounds outta the sp/mp will be coloured and not sound like the file when it was in the original format,

far from a gimick

 

I am talking about MPC 60 samples that were sampled using an MPC 60 and recorded from its outputs. It just doesn't sound as terrible as these vintage modes. I said what I have to say on this matter. It doesn't sound good, I simply ignore that it exists. The only reason why I write this here so NI can work on improving it..or simply scrapping it and give us VST plug-in support.

 

i will quote yourself, to end this discussion with you.

you have a mp great for you,

ive a/b the sp1200 with the vintage mode and i know how it sounds, my opinion is it sounds great and many have agreed.

FAr from terrible

 

:lol:

 

Jahrome you cannot be using the "vintage modes" correctly.

 

what i meant to say the vintage modes, replicate the exact process from the input stage down to the actual output from the device.

 

The Vintage mode involves changing Mode to Vintage, changing Model to SP/MPC, and then setting a filter.

The issue I am having might be the samples I am using....I was messing around with it this morning. It seems to do something different to some drum kits. When I use it on Abbey Road 60s Early Direct and 909 Kits, it sounds like crap. Using it on the 808 kit, sounds ok. When I turn off the vintage mode, and listened to the kits carefully, it sounds like the Early Direct and 909 kits weren't recorded that great. The vintage mode simply amplified what was already there.

 

Like i said.

 

Like you said? You implied I was doing something wrong when there is no user error in the process. You either turn it on or off. The kits I tested vintage mode with are part of Mashine's library.

 

Jahrome go cash your check you get from Akai and go get a drink and come back and try again. You state as fact that the emulation is bad even after ppl who own the gear emulated having done a/b ing say they are close to accurate, yet you still say unh unh.

Cmon really man you are not fooling anyone. If you hate the maschine so much stop using it already!

 

Have you used a SP12/1200? It sure sound like you haven't and also don't really get what makes the sound so sought after. Because from a technical stand point the SP is a poor sampler. But then again it could be that the emulation is not what you thought you were looking for.

Please read this thread, although i don't believe you haven't already!

http://www.native-instruments.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109896

 

The eWElations don't do anything for me. Sorry to have mentioned it.

On second thoughts, duplicate what I wrote earlier above. Run those samples through the vintage mode and write what you think about the sound (regardless if it accurately reproduces an SP or MP).

 

Why did you sell your SP btw?

 

When I first started hanging around these internet forums, they only thing you heard about was the holy grails of the ASR-10 and SP 1200. I bought both of them in Japan. However, they didn't provide the magical sounds that everyone claimed. With the release of workstations like the Motif/Triton Studio/FantomX as well as the latest MPCs, I got rid of both of them.

The sad thing is that the person who bought the SP did so as a gift for a family friend. He received it and then mailed it out, but his friend never received it.

 

It seems to me that you don't like the sound of the SP and don't understand why anyone else does like that sound. To some the SP sound ís magical. Songs like WLIX by Tha Alkaholiks for example, wow!