what were the big hits at NAMM 2011?

yeah to me it's the idea of having plugins and synths that don't take any cpu power, plus the sound of it is just amazing and I can use it without the computer when I want to lol.

 

i wont diss but really? in 2001? yeah! but like you said a uad-2 satellite and my duet with MY kontakt library and waldorf Largo(with his buddies the KORG LEGACY COLLECTION ) will do just......amazing! and i can use it without a big azz Triton when i want to lol. and as for cpu i have a 17"mbp i7 with 8gb and two hds one being a ssd.....next question!


ps my Novation 49sl mkII has a far better Fatar keybed than any of the semi-wieghted keyed workstations.

 

yeah in 2011, why does the year matter? Not everyone wants to be tied to their computer all the time when making music, or maybe they like to use hardware WITH their software....what a concept huh?

Are you assuming I said I don't want to use my computer all the time because it's not powerful enough? I assure you that's far from the case I have an i7 with 12gb ram, so what's your point in quoting computer specs? lol

Personally I'm not a mobile, make music on a laptop type of person. So a 61 key workstation isn't an issue for me to have in my setup. Especially when I prefer 61 keys over 25 or 49. If it can run it's own powerful synth engines, including "instant access" to two 4gb grand pianos (sounds incredible) for example...it's worth it to me. I have many large libraries Kontakt libraries, but waiting for them to load is an inspiration/creativity killer imo.

 

i hoped for live 9 and reaktor 6, but weeks before it was written, that there will no come at this point.

the only intersessting think was akais ipad-controller marriage. i guess thats the future: no wire, no osc or even midi is nescassry. and u dont have to use your special-srewdriver. no, put your ipad/phone in the dedicated place, load the app and now u have a complete workstation to play! nothing to configure, wire, rewire....

of course, in the age of maschine, massive and live - who wnats a workstation? but thats not the point: the point is the potencial of it!
i was one of the first which used touch osc and live-controll and i really really like it. but its nerd-stuff, not stable and the current pods/pads are not really high-reso/hit-sensitive as promised. at these days u cannot use really it, but we live in a exponential world: in only 2 years most of use will use it at there main-equipment. of course there will be an armada of hardliners like today, which use recordeds instead of wavs/mp3, which uses guitar-stepper instead of artefact-free plugs, which uses the polysix instead of massive, 4 tracker instead of daws....

well, dont missget me: i guess a haptic feeling like with the apc or maschine is not so easy so implement. if at all! to turn a quality knob or to switch your fingers over a glass-display is really a difference. but the advantages of the ipad, like shown all paras in cleartext, the much bigger functionality (yeah i use a pimed apc, but its ridiculuas compairing to live-controll), and not at least this exorbitant cheapness of this : u have to to buy onetime a ipad and i guess the price is of its potential fair. and than u have for the next 3 years a multi-multi-multi....able-state-of-art-unit. that tool or a similiar will be so universell like your 10 fingers. i think it will be for all hobby-musicans the fiosrt choice. why should i waste a lot of money for a "dedicated" hw, during a 3-dollar app can it make better?

but back to the "akai-pad". i guess there will be a "hybrid-time" like in this thing. u will have ur deticated (cheaper) hw and the option to expand it with ur pad+app.
i´m shure maschine hw 2.0 will have a similar thing.




on the other end there will be buyed stuff like this: http://stretta.blogspot.com/2011/01/monome-arc.html

oki, if u need it

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but there was an intersting product too: called autoria spark.
its a "groovebox", which can maybe 15% percent of maschine but it cost only 80% of it.

i guess thats the future too:
for un-inspiered companys with "product-manager", found in a mad-house. who is the target-group? wannabe maschine-user, which want save 80 euros?
there is not only one point which make this thing better/or concuerrently to maschine. and maschine offers enough points and corners to elaborate. this "device" is for 2011 really ridicuoless.
but one people at autoria must be really genuin. this one, which were able to conviened a venture-captial to invest in it. respect!

 

cant argue with the instant 4 gig pianos saintjoe! you in the a? lemme come thru and use ya baby oasis yo! :lol: u got me....my pockets not deep like yours dawg! some of us HAVE to be laptop maschine funksters because of PRICE!

thanks 4 responding - love ya work dude.

 

I agree 100%. A dedicated workstation will always be a part of my set up to be used along side my software. Plus to date, I have yet to find a software sampler that I truly like..that is why I still use MPCs and keyboard workstations..and now Maschine.

 

actually jahrome you and me spent alot of time over there on the other side ever since sample kings went over seas to get video on audio tracks introduced to the (then) new mpc2500. im mpdmpkray from mpc-tutors. BUT. i think i will never touch another mpc2k,4k,1k nor 5k when this 1.6 comes around. a new 512gb ssd and that new uad-2 satellite will do it for me. but this IS a forum for a COMPUTER PROGRAM called maschine not an old idea called MPC isnt it?

i think we want it ALL in one mpc yo! that equalls 1.6 cu-cuz! the mpc killer comes soon.....

 

but why would you bother forking out this cash to buy this thing just to be hoping to run its engine in maschine?

it doesnt make sense...

and 4 gig of piano library, wow big deal... NI Classic pianos is 12 gig

and their electric pianos dont even touch on vintage keys or MOTUs electric pianos engine...

its just wasting money for something that doesnt even seem so good. the drums in that demo sounded like crap. even the vintage synth emulator didnt sound that good... im really not sold, you can get those sounds and the interface already on a pc, better infact, and the eq section lol, wow , just use ur waves or uads

im not picking on you or anyone, im just offering my strong answer as to why you would waste the money to buy this. what is so good about it? thats what i want to know...

for somebody that just has grown up with these "work stations" and hasnt gotten into the nice little vsti's and standalone programs etc... this would be great...

but for the dude whos into the systems of today and keeping up with what goes down new, id say this thing serves no purpose at all..

 

Nice to see more MPC users over here.

I am fully aware that this IS a thread about NAMM 2011 products in COMPUTER PROGRAM forum. And I am mos def interested in the "new ideas" one being the Korg Kronos. It would have been great if NI displayed OS 1.6 at Namm. But they didn't which means it is still vapor-ware for those not lucky enough to beta test it. With that said, it will not be an "MPC killer" until it is a better sampler and better sequencer. OS 1.6 does not add anything that improves Maschine in this aspect IMHO. The feature request forum has numerous threads about how to take Maschine better.

 

It's hard to judge audio over a video,saint joe was actually there.. Question have you ever sat and played the Korg oasys in the flesh? The Kronos is 100% compatible with the Oasys, so programs and combi's will play nicely, that's a good damn reason,on it's own.. This is that only even better. I'm also getting a Kronos, I have tons of sample libraries already,vstis for days, the good ones, lol.. The point is a different sort of feeling,workflow sound quality etc..
This synth will make software developers raise their bar..It's good for business
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Joe... whats good folk? How about some news from Motu on M5v3? Did they shoot video?

 

im not saying its a bad sound... the pianos and organs sounded great... but 4 gig compared to 12 gig for piano is a big difference. even like piano tech and such have bigger libraries...

i have played the oasys and yeh its pretty good if u just want a keyboard to do everything... but to go out and spend this money for what? for some sound libraries i could own for a fraction of the price?

what is the reason you want it? it cant just be workflow... isnt your DAW doing enough for you or something? im very interested...

also why do you have a mac pro and also i7 pc... what do you use the 2 for?

thanks

 

If I spend any money on new gear it will be vintage stuff that I can route to for a sound you can't really get with plugins other than that I agree. I would rather have a nice lunchbox for that amount of money. Or a TL Audio FatTrack. Not saying that board doesn't sound amazing but I've hears some plugins that sound amazing for 1/4 of that price tag for the Korg. I mean **** I would spend 2k on UAd2 before that. I think it's just a new toy that will get old quick especially when the next wave of vsts come.

 

So which 12 gig piano should I purchase instead of being stuck with Korg's terrible 4 GB piano? While I was listening to Korg's piano, I thinking this doesn't sound that great...it needs 8 more gigs to sound right. lol

Personally, I am buying a Kronos no matter what people say around here (will drop around April/May here in Japan).

On a serious note, I am curious to know what sampling software and a keyboard controller would you recommend someone instead of Kronos (outside of a DAW which we all have). Keep in mind that the keyboard controller should have full access to the software. Plus the software should actually record samples, have 9 synthesis types, Karma technology, and can be streamed from hard disk with no load time.

*For the record, I would probably go with Kontakt 4..but have yet to find a keyboard controller on the market that would give me the hands on I desire like a dedicated keyboard workstation. This is one reason why I am here imploring NI to do this with Maschine....

 

lol, I already answered your question, if you can't comprehend what I said then there's no point in going deeper. Like many, I like options, and the 12gb classic pianos don't load instantly, sorry, they don't, don't care how fast of a computer you have.

Using it in maschine is a plus, not THE reason. I feel all hardware coming out today should be plugin capable and be able to load into a daw, just my opinion. It's uneccesary for you, I was there, I heard it in person, and saw it, and I want it, plain and simple, it does things for ME that my software doesn't do, and I have some of the best software around.

options, don't be afraid of them, and if you don't want them, that's fine too

My pockets are far from deep lol, I have a while to start saving though, I'm definitely getting one of these, especially since it doubles as a 61 key midi controller.

 

I have some really large piano sets, actually an Ivory st which trumps just about anything in the box..That I've encountered, including any pianos from NI..Strangely though, the Kronos piano sounds better imo.The natural decay from the piano ,is amazing, and to switch sounds seamlessly for live performance again without skipping a beat is incredible,again nothing I've played with thus far is on that level, including powerful cpu's...
As to why I have a Mac and a Pc? Why not? Do you use multiple synth's? Different drumkits? Same thing, some programs are coded for Mac, that are not coded for Pc..
Makes no real sense to carry on telling another man,why I do what I do..but since you asked, two is better then one,at least for me.

 

exactly lol, options are always good!

M5v3 is going to be a monster, the synth engine itself in that thing is amazing, and overall I think it's a lot easier to create new sounds in it than in Kontakt, though I think Kontakt is a bit deeper, I like the ease of use and power of MachFive (I was not a m5 user previously so I'm speaking only on what I know of v3)

I haven't seen them post a video yet, I should have got one lol, but I would keep an eye on their site for sure.

Judging from the pictures of M5v2, M5v3 looks waaaaaaaaaaaay cleaner and better, M5v2 in my opinion looks like a huge mess lol. Again, I never used that version so I'm going based on what I saw in M5v3. Everything seems very straight forward and easy to tweak, which is good.

 

Thanks Joe for the reply. Yeah my utmost reason behind much of Uvi,Motu plugs has always been the sound quality,but hopefully their scripting is on point...can't wait to check it out

 

yeah, I love the UVI/Motu libraries

 

I know I'm gassy ... Can't wait to demo one ...

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As for Arturia Spark, I think there's some serious design flaws in the UI, particularly in the computer screen representations mostly mirroring the controller and what looks like tons of necessary mouse/trackpad involvement to get around the software ... to go to the effects section, select kits, go to the step sequencer ... that part of the package looks absolutely awful ...

 

The MachV 3 GUI does look impressive and easy to use. NI should take notes for K5. Also, M5 effects and filters are way better. I think v3 will also have improved time stretch.

I see both sides to the Kronos debate. It depends on your needs. I would like to have one. The hands on control of different synth and sample engines in one interface/GUI with knobs and touch screen is way ahead of anything you can do with a mouse and 6 diff GUI's for various synths. It's the power of one. Also the instant load times. Not to mention a nice weighted or synth keyboard instead of spinning around to a separate contoller etc. Everything is right in front of you. It also has a nice sampler that can rip right from CD.

OTOH, I think the Korg sequencers are a bit gruff compared to MPC-Maschines pattern sequencer. I also hate their drum programs. You can't edit single sounds in a kit because they are all treated as one. So you still might need an MPC or Maschine to go with it. This kills the true stand alone ability which is the whole appeal to me. No output expansions? They should have added 16 or more digital outs with AES or adat option. With these shortcomings it does not cut it for me when you consider the expense.