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Whats going on with the Maschine MK3 Ableton Live Template?

Discussion in 'MASCHINE Area' started by Jin Han, Oct 19, 2017.

  1. D-One

    D-One Well-Known Member

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    It's updated in a sense it's available for the MK3 and KKSMK2. The template is just a starting point to be costumized if you need extra stuff i guess, i still havent messed with it much, i work mostly in stand alone.
    Scenes button in MK3 trigger clip rows in Ableton, i think its called Scenes too..
    Pattern Mk3 button trigger the first 4 clips of the first 4 tracks, etc.. so there are pages.
    Global transport is here:
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  2. Jin Han

    Jin Han New Member

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    Aww............if that was what it meant, I'm still sad then..
    Yes there are pages in that sense... but it still feels unfinished and not brought to its potential...
    I'm gonna try and look for the official API documents so I could have a go at customising a script further than just a midi map.

    Anyways, thanks for the Global Transport tip!
     
  3. Alex20

    Alex20 New Member

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    Hi Guys,

    Pushing this thread back up as I feel kinda disappointed as well with the way the template works. When in Ableton, I tend not to use my Maschine mk3 at all due to the limitations.

    I understand the messages above saying the template is just a start and you have to customize it yourself but I have the impression that I cannot do much of what would need to be done using only the Controller editor. Such as defining the different "pages" on the onboard screen, dynamic labels, ...

    I had seen a (quite old) video of a template on the Maschine Studio coming from Producer Tech, which, though not to the level of integration of the Push, was nice and would fit my needs if it were ported to the mk3. Any ideas if it came from Native Instruments or was done by a third party with some kind of programming skills? And if one is planned for the mk3?

    Thanks for any info
    Al
     
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  4. D-One

    D-One Well-Known Member

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    There's no outside programming, only customization. <- Actually I'm not sure about this.
    Dynamic pages requires a more complex version of the script
    The MK3 script/template seems unfinished... comparing the Studio with the MK3:
    [​IMG]
    So i guess you will have to wait a bit.
     
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  5. bobbyduracel

    bobbyduracel NI Product Owner

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    I really dig the Ableton template on Jam, so when I'm over in Live I hardly use MK3 for anything other than actually running Maschine.
     
  6. Jin Han

    Jin Han New Member

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    Hi again guys, It's been a dozen days.
    Since then, I've been adjusting to my keyboard and mouse and sticks and stones without any sophisticated means of controlling Ableton.

    Now that Ableton Live 10 is announced, I'm even more worried.
    Kinda anxious that NI guys may not release their template for a version that will be outdated soon.

    For one, I wish templates would work on both Live 10 and 9, so that it won't affect NI's decision to release the template for Ableton.
    and for another, I wish they would at least tell us that they're doing what they can :(
     
  7. Ohtions

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    Hey NI! Was just wondering if there is an ETA on Maschine MK3 Ableton Live template that’s complete. Yes, I know there is one now but it’s a bit glitchy. I try to make my own and Controller Editor just crashes.

    P.s. - I submitted 2 tickets and called regarding an issue of Controller Editors newest version and someone from the community helped me. You should step it up. Thanks!
     
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  8. Ohtions

    Ohtions Member

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    I was thinking they would wait because of 10 too... : /
     
  9. Heinrich Zwahlen

    Heinrich Zwahlen New Member

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    Hey guys, this is really a major impediment to my work and NI sales pitch for MK3 controllers here at the music school i'm working at in NYC. I'm teaching Ableton, Maschine, Sound Design with Komplete and really would like my Maschine and Ableton students to be able to use the MK3 as an Ableton controller the same way they used the MK2 before. This would include many more commands than are available in the sketchy script you are talking about.
    It's unfortunate that i can not recommend the MK3 to my students for now and have to focus more on using Push, which is a great controller but also a bit pricey. As far as the NKS MK2: There are many people that will not want to log around a big keyboard besides Maschine and prefer to keep their setup minimal for space (or money) reasons. This script should be a priority for NI if they want to make the MK3 more popular in the Ableton community. Live 10 rocks and Ableton will remain very popular no doubt. Step it up please NI ...you snooze you loose:)
     
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  10. Ohtions

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    I completely agree with you! I think it’s compltely unprofessional to release a product without the proper scripts for integration with ableton.

    Ps - since your a teacher could you recommend any Maschine tutorialsrespurces? Thanks!
     
  11. Heinrich Zwahlen

    Heinrich Zwahlen New Member

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    Not sure who is best, but this guy is pretty good and always stays current: https://maschinetutorials.com
    Did you check ADSR ? Otherwise if you're in the city, you can always contact me for some private lessons:)
     
  12. Phabi

    Phabi NI Product Owner

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    I have tried today to use Maschine Mk3 controller with Ableton Live 9.6.
    And now I have loose all my hair, because unfinished Template.
    Unable to play.

    I am very upset with NI.
    Please Ableton Live template update needed as soon as possible !
     
  13. Xyenz Fyxion

    Xyenz Fyxion NI Product Owner

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    Hey, I know the situation seems unfair and impedes the workflow. I have Maschine Studio, but I don't own the MK3. I pose a question for those that do. Can you copy functions/layout over from the Maschine Studio template over to the MK3 template in Controller Editor, or no? It would be tedious, yet it could solve the issue if possible.


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  14. D-One

    D-One Well-Known Member

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    No. Copy/Paste crashes Controller Editor, at least for me.
     
  15. Xyenz Fyxion

    Xyenz Fyxion NI Product Owner

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    I see. Well, what about the manual way of looking at one template, writing down its layout, then writing that into the new template? If the functions are possible on the MK3, then (as time-consuming as it would be) getting the controller mapped that way would likely bring the desired result before NI gets it done.
     
  16. dreddiknight

    dreddiknight NI Product Owner

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    DO NOT EXPECT NI TO FINISH THIS CONTROLLER SCRIPT. Even the older fully fleshed out ones hey dropped for months when Ableton update Live. It goes against their usual behaviour, and does not correspond with their current "ecosystem" ethos.
    Expecting then to put effort into this, is misguided and will result in more disappointment.
    They can barely push forward with Maschine, so I don't hold out much hope for then putting effort into something which relies on software from a competitor.
     
  17. dreddiknight

    dreddiknight NI Product Owner

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    DO NOT EXPECT NI TO FINISH THIS CONTROLLER SCRIPT. Even the older fully fleshed out ones get dropped for months when Ableton update Live. It goes against their usual behaviour, and does not correspond with their current "ecosystem" ethos.
    Expecting then to put effort into this, is misguided and will result in more disappointment.
    They can barely push forward with Maschine, so I don't hold out much hope for them putting effort into something which relies on software from a competitor.
     
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  18. Xyenz Fyxion

    Xyenz Fyxion NI Product Owner

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    That makes sense. All the more reason to figure out ways to do this manually.


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  19. D-One

    D-One Well-Known Member

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    I'm don't expect this to come soon either, if ever... Not many seem to care, and it doesn't feel like a priority for NI.
    The Maschine Studio full template works fine in Ableton 10 though... So there's no need for updates for the ones that do work.
     
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  20. stevep314

    stevep314 NI Product Owner

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    Here is how I use it:

    Grtz,
    Steve
     
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