Whats going on with the Maschine MK3 Ableton Live Template?

That's the confusing part of this post D-One. There has to be a distinction between templates and integration. I also expect NI to get the integration correct. I hope they do so for Studio One 3. But, we are used to seeing/using the Controller Editor templates with the Studio and MK2 Maschines. There is not a clear path or transformation from Controller Editor templates to integration or general use. NI is trying different things with the new controllers. We are still waiting for old features in the KK MK2 device. We are all waiting for NI to catch up with themselves, let alone any competitors.


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I too was confused a while a back about this but there is a distinction, one is DAW integration and another is a Controller Editor Template. A template can be done by the user. The only thing I not sure is if previously CE templates worked in combination with DAW integration scripts, that seems to be the case for Ableton Live + Studio/MK2.

I don't know the plans but I bet that the advanced DAW integration will most likely only be for the most popular DAWs - Ableton Live, Cubase, Logic, (possibly FL since it's super popular with the kids) Not sure if they are trying different things, I think the new Controllers simply have some different technology that requires a new approach, also the DAW itself has to support 2-way advanced communication with controllers, not sure if thats a thing in all DAW's.

 

Yes, I understand that. I bought Ableton, anyway. So, if Integration never comes to S1, I can use Able10 for KK centered live-producing. And, I can map controls to my keyboard if necessary. It's a bit of a shame, since I bought this expensive keyboard, but they never advertised S1 being included. I don't even know if it is possible, as that communication was only questioned and not answered in the forums before.

And, I meant that readers of this thread have to understand that distinction between templates and Integration. I understand the difference and have used them both.


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So, please tell me if I'm wrong... The community is waiting to have Ableton and Mk3 fully integrated? At the moment I can see Mixer displayed on Mk3 screens, can do transport but can't control any sound from pads being hit. So I assume Ableton and Mk3 are integrated in 20%?

 

Basically, you got it right.


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KK Mk2 is fully integrated?

 

The release notes say "Mixer and basic DAW Control" so I assume this is just the early stages of the DAW integration. The way things are communicated could definitively improve, if this sort of thing is confusing for active forum users then imagine for the regular users who don't hang around here.

 

If NI will do a complete integration with Ableton Live, what do I need Maschine Sofware for?
I sometimes just don't belive people when they say, maschine is for expand ideas fast and DAW is for the rest. I've tried to combine Maschine and Ableton recently. It works but I felt like an idiot pretending it has sense . Imho the only thing that has sense is to have a software where you compose and a controller to make it easier.
Mixing Maschine and Ableton together happens when you can't admit in front of yourself that you spend 600 euro (or more) for a nice piece of hardware but clumsy software. So to say, please deliver full Ableton integration and I'm out until Maschine 3.0 (code name: ulimate song layer for devastated community)

 

So...You're basically stating that if one person owns Ableton then Maschine is useless and the only correct way to make music is to use a single software?

 

I kind of understand what he is saying. At 1.0, I imagined Maschine as being a great drum hardware with its software plugin counterpart. I used Geist for years hoping for better hardware integration. Maschine turned out to be much more than i imagined, but still lacked what many customers were looking for.

I absolutely appreciate the expansions and extra work in producing outstanding kits, but the fact that I can’t control the Ableton note repeat in the MK3 like I did with the Studio makes me regret my purchase. The work around are too many steps and drains the creativity. It fits great as a loop production software with draggable mdi and audio, but the aforementioned sustaining of notes past the last bar kills a portion of workflow, soI still depend on a DAW.

Considering the song layer taking a while to implement, tighter Ableton (and other DAW) integration should have been ready from the start. It’s crazy that I’m waiting on functionality with Ableton 10 that I already had with previous versions.

 

This had been the sorest point for me when it comes to NI, lately.


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If I’d own Ableton with full MK3 integration, Maschine had been useless for me. Maschine software in this shape we know from 2.7. I’m describing my pespective trying to produce music in a linear way. I don’t take into account live playing.

The biggest issue for me having Ableton and Maschine is what should be my single source of truth, the source file with my music, mix, automation etc. When I will return one day to a particular file, should I have to recreate everything from Ableton amd Maschine to have it working again? It has not much sense for me. It would be much easier to do so eighter in Ableton or Maschine but not both.

The shitties thing about Maschine is that no other DAW can be so productive when live playing. Maschine and community expected features would make Maschine probably one of the best music production software on the market. So versatile...

 

Maschine Studio has full Ableton integration and lots of users love it, the only thing it lacks VS the Mk3 is seeing the mixer volumes meters moving. People who want to make music in a fully 'Linear Way' shouldn't use Maschine at all, it's a pattern based software.

Im not following, why would you need to recreate anything when returning to a project?

Life is made of choices. If it was easy to have every feature in the world like DAW's do and still have the fast hands-on Live-Playing approach that Machine has every company would be doing it.

 

My main issue I have is that I purchased an MK3 with intentions of using it to play live finger drumming sets as I did with my MK2 and the ableton template. 2 of the potentiometer knobs 1 and 2 died out and gave random values when turning them, and I haven't found a successful video of anyone swapping them with a soldiering iron, so I purchased the MK3. The main reason I use the template with ableton is because of the real time time-stretch capabilities in the drum racks, which allow me to be able to change tempo on the fly. I shouldn't have to purchase serato sample and potientially bog down my cpu running maschine in the same manner, but it's looking like that is gonna have to be my only option if they never/ until they incorporate a feature like it within maschine.

 

To also bring this up & back to life, I just got Ableton10 and knew that my Komplete Kontrol s61 would work so assumably I figured the Mk3 would work. It kinda sucks because even though the KK can do the same things the MK3 can do it's always a lot more fun to play with the PAD for inspiration. Especially the Chord mode.

has anyone heard any more potential info on when they could be releasing this? Or if they will release it? Would love to use both Komplete Kontrol and Mk3 in my sessions.

 

I bought another Ableton Push 2 because of this delay. Since there is no official update, I assume there is a significant problem that NI can't solve at the moment.

 

Um, I don't think the problem is that there's some kind of hitch... I write this earlier, I'll just leave it here again...

DO NOT EXPECT NI TO FINISH THIS CONTROLLER SCRIPT. Even the older fully fleshed out ones get dropped for months when Ableton update Live. It goes against their usual behaviour, and does not correspond with their current "ecosystem" ethos.
Expecting then to put effort into this, is misguided and will result in more disappointment.
They can barely push forward with Maschine, so I don't hold out much hope for then putting effort into something which relies on software from a competitor.

 

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding but does Mk3 not work with Ableton 10?

I've found the follow guide but it just sets up pads for notes/drum rack, every other button on the Maschine doesn't work - https://support.native-instruments....the-MASCHINE-MK3-Integration-for-Ableton-Live

Is there any way I can use the other buttons on Mk3 with Ableton? For example play/stop/chords/navigation/etc?

I've tried searching on line but most advice seems to be using Maschine software which is what I want to avoid.

Is it possible to create custom midi mappings, and if so any recommendations on guides?

 

It does work, dreddiknight and that guide refer to Advanced Integration, this is beyond just normal mapping, Advanced Integration allows for things like visually seeing channels on Ableton's mixer move up/down on the MK3 screens, track names, basically visual feedback amongst other things.

Yes. Everything you said is mappable within Ableton with any midi controller, you just need to setup your custom template in Controller Editor and edit what midi message each Pad/Button/Knob sends to Ableton.
For triggering chords with one pad you will need a bit of a more complicated setup within Ableton, theres tons of videos on that, you can create multiple clips where each has a midi chord and trigger those with the Pads (video) or use Abletons Chord and Scale plugins and setup the pads CE so each sends a different MIDI note to those modules.(video)

I couldn't find any but I suggest messing around with Controller Editor and try to create your own template, start with the simple stuff and ask questions here as you go along.

 

Hello, I've been following this topic for months now. However, to no avail.

I'm looking forard to purchase Machine MK3 + Ultimate upgrade. However, first Machine needs to provide funcionality that complements my Push. Simple MIDI controller is not interesting to me. It's an all-or-nothing deal, so if you want to get my money, better handle this }:>

This video shows the use of new encoder with Komplete Kontrol in Live. I'm pretty sure I saw the same with Machine (it's same knob after all), but can't find original video about it:

Unfortunatelly I didn't see this feature anytime later. I'm interested in how much MK3 can you use outisde of Maschine software.