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what's your latency?

Discussion in 'MASCHINE Area' started by S.Bolo, Jun 16, 2010.

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  1. S.Bolo

    S.Bolo Forum Member

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    just wondering what everyone's latency is

    whats your CPU specs, interface,

    in, process, out, latency at what samples n bit rate or whatever
     
  2. Lotuz

    Lotuz NI Product Owner

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  3. bLcKtRsH

    bLcKtRsH New Member

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    my latency BLOWS FISH ****. ok. maybe that's brash but i'm pulling maschine through ableton as a vst. i like the controls of knobs and **** and don't wanna always drop my samples into audio tracks.

    that being said, i'm trying to move my library to an external drive to hopefully mend the fact that every time i go from one track back to maschine (or let's say drop an effect on a group), i get a CLICK~

    For me, this ain't an option.

    I've reinstalled Maschine since (in the last 24 hours) about 7 times, but w/ my new directory on an external, Maschine doesn't respond when opening.

    FMyyyyyLife.

    intel 2.4ghz : late 2008 unibody MBP : 4gb ram : 7200 320gb western digital drive : gtech G-Drive
     
  4. ew

    ew Moderator Moderator

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  5. Leitmotiv

    Leitmotiv NI Product Owner

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    64 samples @ 48kHz, so it translates to:

    Input latency = 2.0 ms
    Processing = 1.3 ms
    Output latency = 0.6 ms
    Overall = 3.9 ms

    Stable, but CPU load is higher obviously than at 256 samples which seems fine for heavier projects. Multi-core support in Maschine would be welcomed!
     
  6. Lotuz

    Lotuz NI Product Owner

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    @Leitmotiv:

    PC/Mac spec and audio interface?
     
  7. S.Bolo

    S.Bolo Forum Member

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    ^yea thats crazy low, mine is 14 flat overall at 128 or 13 somethin at 96 or 64 at 41khz

    presonus firestudio mobile. jus had an update it was at like 31 overall wtf!
    on top of that software update check showed up to date, had to goto actual website to get new firmware and drivers.
     
  8. dday3212

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    i got input 13.9
    processing 11.6
    output 1.5

    sample rate 44100
    latency 512 samples

    ^^^^^i guess thats not too good for input. can somebody tell me what the sample rate and sample latency is exactly? what does reaising or lowering each one do? if i lower the latency i get better results but is there anything bad about doing that?
     
  9. S.Bolo

    S.Bolo Forum Member

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    the rate i believe is sound quality, 441 i believe is standard cd quality, i think, not sure tho

    latency is a balance type system

    the lower, the less delay of capturing performace, chance of "noises"
    the higher, less chance of clicks, pops, audio processing "noises, more performance delay

    take your pick

    obviously you should drop as low as you can go without hearing noises
    so put a beat on and play with it
     
  10. mgstudios

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    mines like 40ms in total
     
  11. Leitmotiv

    Leitmotiv NI Product Owner

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    I should have mentioned to look at my profile for the specs.

    > Roland DA-2496 8 I/O (PCI card + 1U rack) - INTEL Quad Workstation (Core 2 @ 3 GHz) / 4 Gig RAM / XP Pro SP3 32-bit.

    Rock solid ASIO driver (developed by M-Audio by the way), but the interface has been discontinued by Roland and I'll have to find a replacement sooner or later (no drivers for Win 7 32/64-bit).
     
  12. pawcut

    pawcut NI Product Owner

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    with a buffer size of 128 samples ...
    i get :
    in 3.9 ms
    pro 2.9ms
    out 0.6ms

    overall 7.4 ms
     
  13. Miraculous

    Miraculous NI Product Owner

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    Edirol Fa-101 firewire interface

    @ 132 samples / 44100 / 24 bit
    Input: 4.6
    Processing: 3
    Output: 3.5
    Overall: just do the math ;)

    Used to have an internal pci card which achieved lower latency but this one has 10 ins/outs.
     
  14. dday3212

    dday3212 Forum Member

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    i noticed u guys have much lower buffer sizes than my settings and im guessing it works well for u guys. im gonna try lowering mine as well
     
  15. smithwessen

    smithwessen NI Product Owner

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    low latency.JPG

    Tip for you guys,
    the higher the sample rate i choose 88.2khz lowers latency but increases cpu strain.

    also plugins such as eq , comps, and other tools you may have in your arsenal function better at higher khz, you can always dither and bounce down to 44.1khz for cd pressing or digital releases.

    The picture i have included are my settings on a big project which is playing to show you guys the load on my cpu at the settings indicated in the pic,

    also i dont have no junk running in the background, internet, itunes etc if your running windows you can disable these services, make sure when producing and trying to optimize your computer you dont have alot of background processes adding to the strain on your cpu.

    also latency will greatly depend on your interface drivers, good drivers also acount in latency figures.

    good luck guys
     
  16. vinceprice

    vinceprice NI Product Owner

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    I never really cared about the latency unless it was blaitently obvious. I have mine set at 256 11.6 ms. But the thing that is crazy is when I don't have my digi 002 hooked up and I take my imac to the house (BEFORE I GOT A MACBOOK) I didn't notice the latency working in standalone mode. It just amazes me how far we have come from soundblaster lmao. We are so spoiled now.
     
  17. Leitmotiv

    Leitmotiv NI Product Owner

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    @ smithwessen: so are you happy with the MRX816?

    I know the AD/DA sound quality is awesome, but I'd like to know if you're happy with the ASIO driver stability, its latency and its associated CPU load @ low buffer (say 64 samples @ 48 kHz). Are you using Cubase 5 with it? Great?
     
  18. smithwessen

    smithwessen NI Product Owner

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    im using the yamaha n12
    n12_front_medium_jpg.jpg
    same ad/da in the mr816, but with the added extra's of the csx model, reverb but many extra's, such as daw control , tighter integration with cubase, onboard EQ, onboard compressors, Best pre's io have ever used, outboard mixing , 5.1 surround mixing or use the 3 outputs for differnt monitors, so i can wire up 3 sets of speakers to the board and switch between them on the fly etc.

    its a great device.

    the drivers are great im running win 7 64bit ultimate and i have not had no problems/ they share the same drivers but the integration of the units are differnt so thats why there drivers a packaged seperatly.

    beware its a firewire device and its very picky with the chipset (mr816 shares same firewire internals), if you know about your computer , you would need a TI (texas instruments) firewire chipset and you have to turn off any sort of speed step/power saving modes. this means knowing your bios and your computer well.

    Yes i am using cubase 5 and it integrates with it perfectly, i can send 8mono channels into my hardware 2 stereo, use the onboard eq, compressors reverb etc and send it back into cubase and record this simultaniously. also i have a 3 seperate bus's to route say just my reverb to, or seperate channels into a singal bus.

    also got a aux bus to send singer/rapper a seperate mix to there headphones, can montior plugins wet virtually latency free when recording, can use the onboard reverb on singer latency free send it to a seperate channel so the main signal stays dry. etc etc

    low latency.JPG

    as you can see in the pic, this is a full project at the settings , and my computer and drivers cope very well, taking the samplerate down to 44.1khz will induce more latency when i get the chance i will post a screen shot for you.

    but i am running the most powerful computer i could afford to have that stability at those buffer settings , my computer i custom built solely to produce music on.

    Intel i7 920 @4ghz
    gigabyte x58 ud5
    6 gigs triple channel ram
    ssd drive for OS and to hold drum samples
    bigger sata drives for other content

    if you are considering the mr816 do some research as if i didnt have the space i would of went with the mr816.

    the mr816/n series mixers outbeat everything in that price range, the next best thing would be a rme 400/800, for the pre's alone i would go for the latter not to mention the superiority of the ad/da of the yamaha steinberg unit.

    the pre's are not coloured but super clean, the cleanest pre's i have used makes recording things such a joy very accurate.



    ps

    those setting are my tracking setting when im composing , but when i start to mix within cubase, i would need to increase the buffer to take the load of the cpu after a while as latency will not be a issue as i will be mixing, some projects become plugin heavy so increasing the buffer takes care of that.
     
  19. mezzurias

    mezzurias NI Product Owner

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    I'm on an Mac. Latency is around 14 or so with a buffer of 192 on my Firebox. I can get it down to about 11 at 128 if I use my Apogee Duet instead. I only up the buffer if I do some heavy projects that need it.

    I'm getting a new i7 iMac soon so hopefully that will help considerably and I can probably get even lower with the buffer, though the duet is kind of finicky about anything below (or above for some odd reason) 128.
     
  20. cmreal04

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    I need to get my overall latency down, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

    input 6.53

    output 6.49

    overall 13.0
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    After reading some of the posts more carefully I'm starting to get a handle on this. So my question is: What would be better to do, increase my sample rate or decrease buffer size?
     
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