When is someone going to release good presets for massive

What kind of fool idea is THAT?

 

And yet again...

No- it's more like a guitar, where you select your pickups, adjust your tone control and control the pitch by your position.

So is programming a synth patch. You should really try it some time =)

Ah- what's modifying the harmonic structure over time? The envelope. Sound 101 again.

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I was correcting your English.
http://www.google.com/search?q=moot+point&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=
Where did I say anything about a mute being on?

The envelope shapes the harmonics. Without harmonic content, it's a sine wave. Physics and Sound 101.

It has zilch to do with your argument, as your argument was invalid from the get-go. How hard you play the piano will affect the tone.

There's lots of other synths that fit the bill- some cheaper and some more expensive. Synths don't have genres- people try to force them into them, though.

And any salesman who doesn't present you with multiple options in the situation you're talking about 1) either has an agenda or 2) is clueless. There's lots of rookies in music stores...

You haven't proved anything at all- in fact, you've reinforced my claims. But go on...

As for the rest of it, I'd once again advise you to read the forum rules. We've all tried to be polite, and you can be rude, etc. to me all you want; a flame suit's part of the requirements. However, you will be civil to other members, or you'll leave. Understood?

ew

 

Another unsupported claim because you provide with no example of where I am writing anything deluded - and no reasons given by you as to WHY it is so. Therefore you are WHEY off!

HAAAAHAH! ROFLMFAO! HOW is my wish to stay light years away from you in any way shape or form a physical threat? Honestly, as funny as this response is, I am concerned about your condition because this response of yours is evidence that you need to be referred to a psychiatrist if you are perceiving such bizarre meanings out of what I wrote! How can you possibly even remotely begin to say I threatened you in any way whatsoever? I never threaten anybody.

Unbelievable!
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Is there any reason why you believe this?

Well, I can assure you there are no hard feelings towards anyone, I just asked some members some valid questions as to why they thought I was not speaking the truth, and which of my points specifically they found not true, and most importantly - what the reason was for them not being true, thats all.

 

You can attempt to wriggle out of it all you like. There was an implied threat in your words. wriggling out of statements you make seems to be a rather common occurence on this thread

Have a nice day

 

Care to show where? Care to show how?

Didn't think so. For reasons which are now obvious.

Unfortunately for you, you do not even show HOW I wriggle out of a statement - one which you fail to even prove happened the way you percieve in the first place!
So then one would be lead to see you as the wriggler!

Reading your hilarious attempts is making my day better already!
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Just before I get to that – YOU were the first person in this thread to be uncivilized, rude and in violation of forum policy – because your text in post #41 was the first response to make an insulting comment where you referenced my entry as the following:

As for your question of why this other member should be thrown out, I showed why. See post 111 for the explanation why, as well as post 115 where I show how he was using foul play and how he was unsportsmanlike once again.

See! Told you, and that s evidence for anyone else to see if they are wondering who threw the first uncivilized remark here! So there you go. Nice try though. Keep your fascinating entries coming, its nice to see you trying hard.

Yes you are - you've been claiming it for 9 pages

The second is practically also the first – the tone – the sound – the frequency content of the audio signal. And I only saw one or two people agree with you that hands are the main source of tone, the many others laughing at you know its the instrument and gear which determines the fundamental sound/tone of what you hear.

Wrong again in those quote references of yours, because .You quote me as referring to actually very relevant portions of this thread which is an analogy to quality, and that since I similarily show how Massive is low quality – that this should answer why the forum starter asked when there is ever going to be good sounds – as I made valid analogies to the quality of gear having a huge influence on whether the sound will be good and whether the presets will be any good. So I therefore clearly addressed the unlikelihood of good presets ever being released for Massive as a result of this fundamental problem with the engine capabilities of Massive. And then you made the first irrelevant comment right after that by saying that your tone is primarily in your hands right after that. Its all in that post you try to wrongly accuse me of invalidly making. And I just showed you why.

Now you are just committing flat out distortion of my position wrongly framing it as somehow indicating that it is the gear that matters the most over musical talent. Please show me where did I ever indicate such? You are totally wrong again because the truth was that better gear does certainly enhance your music more fully, and also certain gear IS needed to do my type of music justice.

Otherwise if you were correct, then you would see people in metal using a fender telecastera through single coil pickupa through a tweed amp to get that tight machine gun terminator style riffing. ROTFL! So since we know that is just not what is used for that style of music, then this shows how you are making faulty statements once again.

So therefore certain gear IS more compatible for certain styles of music.

Good one though! Keep your hilarious entries coming!

Oh really? How so?

Sorry, can’t, the synth sounds too thin and not big enough so I don’t think the presets can sound good, no matter how me or anyone else better at preset creation programs them.

Then why am I not blaming my Virus TI? lol

And if your statement there is true, ok, then i’ll just use your logic and go buy a telecaster and a tweed and try to make machine gun metal sounds! Good one!

No you should review them and then review them again and then memorize them because here in this entry I demonstrated how you were the first to insult in this thread with your “pile of crap” comment. The first rude comment in this thread. . In addition to your constant twisting of my position to try to serve your sad agenda of putting products like Massive on par with a Virus or Spectrasonics even, and now in the guitar thread your attempt to put Guitar Rig in the same league as Axe FX. That is truly becoming a classic thread as well! But do continue! I look forward to your comments in there as well!

No, I just don’t want to waste my time trying to since, unlike on the Virus, I will get nowhere if I try to. And to the poster of the initial question – I your wait continues for a good reason.

See! You are now blatantly distorting me in addition to doing it in implied wasy as well. Where did I say that the type or style of patches in massive was bad? Pure distortion as I only said the engine’s overall sound is not compatible with the sound I am looking for.

This is also different from the issue that I find massive to be low quality.

Feel free! But repetition is not helping you, it is only clarifying the many levels on which you are spreading falsehoods… so I look forward to continuing. But you have no reason to...

 

okay enough is enough.

i think this thread should be closed because this is getting ridiculous

sowari

 

There's been a lot of circumloqatious verbosity (with dashes of hysteria) in this thread which hasn't succeeded in clear or concise expression of anything in particular - although it's clear someone is frustrated and disgruntled. But EW has identified the kernel of truth:

That's the whole nub of this thread.

Artists don't complain about the lack of existance of an infinite variety of oil paint colours and hues. They mix their own from what is available.

The whole point of buying a particular synth is * not * the pre-sets. Saved patches are a terrific way of instantly recalling settings you've come up with on the synth - as anyone who has owned a early moog or other cable patched synth can tell you. If people aren't interested in programming a synth, perhaps they would be better served buying synth samples. This way their desire for someone else's sounds can be satisfied.

What various manufacturers soft synths offer - apart from differing sound sources, modulation and filters - are different ways of thinking about how you put the sound elements together. I like what Massive does in that regard - the way the 8 macro knobs are handled is great. The synth gets me routing things and thinking of sounds a little differently, so consequently I'm getting different sounds to what I've extracted from other synths.

It's not difficult to modify patches on Massive. With some experimentation it's not hard at all to work out what to do to take a sound in the direction you want, but there are still many happy accidents to come across on the way - those WOW moments when you really love a sound, but it wasn't what you originally set out to achieve.

Your investment in an instrument doesn't end when you've paid for it. There also comes your investment of time - reading the manual, experimenting, playing. In so many ways, with a synth you get out what you put in - just like life

 

Well stated, sir =)
And on that note, I think Phil's right- I'm going to close this thread. It stopped being constructive long ago =(

ew