whose with me when saying the sp1200 mode Rocks

Can someone please put up a You Tube video (or as mentioned, a SoundCloud), as I would really like to check this out before getting my hands on the product (so long as there isn't an NDA in the beta that would stop you from doing so).

Thanks!

 

im witcha! just noticed one thing, it even emulates the loop on the sp right? maybe its just the crossfade being disabled
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now that wouldnt make much of a difference in sound at all, but EPS! with the same variable sample rates

 

Haha, no, that's a known issue. We're working on it. Well spotted though.

 

I plan this weekend on uploading some very high quality A/b tests of identical samples used on maschine and mpc 60 , mpc 2000xl, sp1200, and maybe even asr-10 and asr-x (if i can borrow my buddys asr, and can dig out the asr x.) I'll try to do test of sampling the same sound and using the actual same .wav file (that will only be possible ofn certain models)

 

I'd be very curious to see if your results agreed with ours!

What do you mean by "using the actual same .wav file"? If you mean somehow transferring a WAV digitally onto a hardware sampler, bear in mind that wouldn't be a fair A/B test because you're bypassing the sampler's input filters and A/D conversion (which, in the case of the MPC60, are already responsible for about 70% of the effect).

The most rigorous way to do it, using the SP1200 as an example, would be:

* Sample an external source into the SP (eg a hardware CD player - ideally not vinyl, since dust and noise make every pass slightly different)
* Set up a Logic project and record the SP1200 playing the sample back at each pitch in turn
* Record the same original sample into Maschine from the same original source (ie the CD player) using your audio interface
* Set up a Maschine pattern where sample is played at every corresponding pitch (-12 to +6 for the SP1200 I think), and bounce the result to a 24-bit WAV
* Chop up the resulting files and make sure they're all the same length, then normalise them to the same RMS (not peak) level

Recording into Maschine from outside (rather than using a wav straight from your hard disk) is important because then any sound characteristics or noise from your audio interface are then applied to both the real SP1200 recording and the emulation. Recording by taking an output from your soundcard and plugging it back into the input is fine. It's also important to record into both samplers at roughly the same level (and obviously never to clip) since the bitcrushing effect is inversely proportional to the signal level (quiet signal -> more "crush").

Don't forget the output filter settings! Ch3, 4, 5, 6 of the SP1200 are Lo to Hi respectively on the emulation, Channels 7&8 are "no filter". Obviously you need to compare like-for-like. IMHO the effect is easiest to compare with no output filter.

TJ

 

if i come across some record i sampled when i had the sp i'll make sure to do a remake on the maschine! wont be accurate like that a/b testing you'rwe talking about but might be fun hearing how much i dont need to regret selling it

 

Tj I'm not sure how deep I'll get with the A/B mainly due to the fact that i have an album to finish and this weekend is filled with tracking. and of course thanks to the new sample slicing features I will be doing a lot of work with maschine only very very few things that I lust after for maschine to do now.....
*cough* timestretch*cough* but I will try to start working on the A/b test tomorrow. maybe get the easier ones out of the way, (the mpc stuff)
oh btw I am really enjoying the sp 1200 mode on vocals. something about it just takes me to the right place of mind to get working.

 

Keep it, dude. Even if not being used, that thing is just a beautiful piece of history. It's art in it's own right.

 

The problem is, the price for this piece os around 2000$

I also sold my MPC60 and kept my s950....

"all I see is blinkin lights, trackboards and fat mics. s950's, sp12's and mp-60's"

I know it's a hard decission....I sold my mp and bought maschine and still have some money left
I think I would maybe act different with the sp but I don't know. I definitely had a problem with the space in my room. Whatever I wanted to do I had to put some stuff everywhere else. Also my bed was full of stuff.
And the most annoying thing, the floppy discs...argh....that really pissed me off.

 

Aww Man! That was my joint. We used to say that all the time.

 

SHOWBIZ ..... ..... AG .... classic ish yo !



seriously though to me the only thing holding back maschine from a full self contained alternative to the later gen MPC's is obviously timestretch or what i would actually much prefer is i think it was called auto-pitch or maybe even auto-tune (not to be confused with antares!) on the 2000xl. Basically just re-pitches your loops to the current BPM, matches your loops with no artifacts and a cool trick to get those high-pitch / low-pitch vocal loops when you jump +/- 20 bpm's.

also i think this would be much easier to program than complex timestretch algorithms which sound flacky most of the time anyways... for the time being i've gotta use Live re-pitch function, export, import..etc i've already requested this for some time, hope NI are listening !

 

Yo I actually have an SP12 lol. I will never get rid of it I know that the 1200 is more popular but the SP1200 is the successor to the 12. I think everyone should chill out. I'm peeping what NI is doing and I think they know they are on to something. I've been saying this will be revolutionary to my producer peeps from the beginning. This feature is good for now. I hope NI looks at it as a starting point to actually integrating vintage sound into Maschine gradually. You have to start somewhere and I think this is an amazing start. I would like to see NI actually focus on this as the beginning of adding more and more vintage elements into Maschine. Pultec EQ, Neve EQ/Compressor, A Parametric EQ, Classic Guitar Amps, ect. Either that or open up VSTi. But man this is a great start I like it. These things are all considered vintage for a reason. There is a lot of good realestate on maschine the way the GUI was designed they can add some incredible things they still have enough room.

 

Not longer than 2.5 seconds

Btw, this release has really made me consider the Maschine. I am a die-hard analogue drum machine snob but Im really wondering about selling my xbase 999. Not saying I will, but I am certainly starting to think about it (I can not justify Maschine + 999 so it will have to be one or the other..)

hmmmm

Paul

 

That's right. The SP12 Turbo can sample 2 x 2.5 seconds. The SP1200 can sample 4 x 2.5 seconds.

Sell the 999 and get Maschine. What else do you expect us to say?

 

..so, last night I watched all the NI Maschine videos, and very impressed. I love the sound browser.. Was very miffed to discover that Maschine can not import Battery sounds but it did look quite quick to add, say, a whole bunch of kicks into the Maschine library.

Im still very keen. Time to stick some of my vast supply of unused gear onto eBay!

Paul

 

Yep - got one on Saturday! Was on it all day yestereday and quite impressed. It really does feel like a stand alone drum machine. Indeed, I spent some time with my monitor switched to my Internet PC so I could do the NI tutorials - not once did I think about the software blindly running on my DAW..

Good stuff..

Paul

 

Maybe its bad ears from years of clubbing and mixing but I have to say that the vintage modes are far to subtle for me to hear (on single sounds and loops at least) Maybe its easier to hear on full mixes?

 

The MPC60 emulation is quite subtle, but the SP1200 emulation isn't when you pitch up or down.

 

Ah right so it becomes grainy and "old skool" when you pitch samples by more than a few semitones?

 

Yep due to the lower bit rate and sample depth. Imho they sound just right.