Why do you continue to use Maschine and buy NI products?

I was also hoping that after the 2.0 rewrite, surely the tweaks to the sequencer would come. So as Spazoo mentioned earlier, there is a sense of an unfulfilled promise from NI side. Granted, this is largely unfounded if you look at things objectively, but that's how it feels to me and I am guessing to other "vocal" users....

So here I am still asking myself:

1) why can't I place a pattern in a scene wherever I want without it looping for the whole lenght of the scene?
2) why can't I have more than one pattern per group in the same scene?
2) why isn't there an easy way to string together patterns besides that awkward copy/paste of events?
3) why can't I use the same scene twice in the timeline but I am forced to create a duplicate?
4) why can't I record my scene switching performance straight into the timeline?
5) and why, oh why, after all this time I still can't record solo and mutes of sounds and groups?

I don't care for Maschine turning into a DAW, but for me the things I mentioned above would turn it into a far more capable groovebox. All in all, I still love Machine, however it feels like development on Maschine itself has come to a stop. All the features we got after the 2.0 update were a side product of the NKS keyboards (scales, chords, etc.). This is especially unsettling when you see the competition cranking out software updates with requested feautures regularly.

 

not really most reviews are video reviews so u can just buy watching listening; and disregard what the reviewer is saying u can get an almost first hand impression about how the item is in use.

Also there is nothing stopping you from testing the said synths urself to see if u agree with someones assessment; as that is indeed the ultimate test; also u while something may be the ultimate item it may not be something that would fit in with ur workflow.

for instance I have no doubt that mpc5k, mpc4k and mv8000 and maschine studio may offer more in-terms of features but I still prefer to use what I currently have for convenience.

As I prefer the smaller form-factor, same with when I had mk2 I know machine studio offered more but I preferred the mk2 for my own personal use.

 

From my perspective people probably won't understand the full limitations until either they've read the full manual from beginning to end (allow a couple of weeks to a month), or they've just been playing around for a year or so and just run into it. They could still overlook the limitations if they are unsure of their objectives or they are a non stop serial looper, or don't integrate with other software/hardware much. The big shortcut to all this is if they happen to stumble across the forums, and they read what others are pointing out... testing it for themselves.

Basically no professional reviewer (unless they are the customer) is going to have the time to review this properly... and with deadlines they probably won't have the time.

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tarekith writes:
it just seems to me that a lot of the complaints against Maschine have more to do with people wanting it to be something it's not

I think this perspective depends on WHEN you bought Maschine. I got mine in 2009 after seeing Josh from NI demo it at a music store. I bought it ,in part, because it smoothly integrated with a daw : you could tap pads and record in your daw. Making music was quick and easy. Making changes was quick and easy.

NI CHANGED THIS WITH 2.0 software update. Since then, every time you load a group midi thru and input settings revert making the whole process tedious as hell.

People arent asking Maschine to do something it wasnt designed to do. People are simply asking that the functionality that early adopters were sold on, be restored.

 

Maschine Studio had increased my workflow. Love it!

NI gets my money because there is little setup time. I don't have to set up million and one things just to get to work. That **** was so annoying before. Now, I just sit down and get busy!

 

everything I'm aware of be it software or hardware that was commonly used before maschine came out has/had the ability to use setup templates that took not even seconds to set up, even mpcs can have custom templates load up when you turn the machine on and they are old as hell, what in the world were you using?

 

Try using it in a DAW! Pain in ass...

This is an example of ARA intigration, see how easy it is?

 

now that's hot

 

For me Maschine was my first venture into using software. Was always a hardware head. It's been 4 years now and Really enjoy using the studio. BUT..... And for me this a huge BUT the limitations are frustrating to say the least. to use a car analogy once again. Maschine is like having a Ferrari with 3 wheels...... What it could be capable of doing and where we are today are miles apart. If one of the other manufacturers were to come up with a stand alone modern day Groovebox which is entirely possible I would be jumping ship. At the moment I am still waiting for improvements to turn a great Maschine into an outstanding Maschine.

 

I use my Maschine MKII as a standalone sketch pad to create my drum patterns, that's it's only use really. I don't produce entire tracks in Maschine simply for the reason that I find Maschine handy for banging out Rhythms and then exporting the tracks/patterns into a DAW, Logic Pro X in my case.

Maschine integration into Logic Pro X sucks...it should be straight forward but simply isn't and I'm never comfortable with the latency amongst other things. I would prefer to use Maschine integrated into my DAW but gave up due to numerous issues.

I bought Maschine under the premise that it was going to be my sketch pad and for that reason alone I like it and use it quite extensively. There are some basic features missing like bouncing audio in Mono...but I have workarounds for that.

In terms of the Expansions and NI related products, I have bought a few expansions, I don't buy all of them that are released simply for the fact that some of them don't really move me, others that I have bought have been very good.

Like others I am waiting for improvements and I'm not against moving to a competitor if the product ticks all the boxes that Maschine ticks with integration and improvements.

 

"Why do you continue to use Maschine and buy NI products?"
Because it´s my passion....
...and nothing is perfect.

 

Good answer.

Bad answer.

 

...it is how it is.

 

...to answer the initial question - if I could have mapped my plug-ins controls in better way in Ableton Live I probably wouldn't have considered using Maschine (had it since the Kore discontiuation offer, but didn't really use it). I chose it because Komplete is the centre of my music and I have faith in NI to focus on imrpoving the interaction with Komplete instruments (otherwise they might fall into the same void Roland has been in). I didn't chose Maschine because I thought it would be a DAW, but because I thought I could work with sounds and samples more creatively. However, I'm aware about its numerous pitfalls and I'm certainly annoyed by that, too. For instance, I would have had a lot more time to focus on some important elements of my current Beat Battle entry, if I hadn't to deal with most of the things macchinista has mentioned in post #61 of this thread. But I've found ways to deal with it (even more when using Maschine in combinaton with a DAW) and I'm glad that Maschine did something for me. I wouldn't want to work without that controller anymore and I'm confident it will get better (or maybe I'm not as annoyed yet as I have just been using it for about half a year ). Anyway, I'm almost willing to bet that things might be looking different at the end of 2016...

 

Man, I fall asleep using an mpc. Takes ******* forever! FL Studio was cool but Maschine is tailored more to a diverse audience. FL Studio focused mainly on Techno. Not that I don't like Techno, just that it too me sometime to get the samples I needed to produce hip-hop.

Yes, there are templates in most, if not all DAWs but, I can be up and running with maschine and still and not have to configure this controller or that controller.

Seems like you don't have that much time in the game because you would know that buying new equipment comes the setup and headache. Ever since I've owned an Oxygen 8, ive hade to reconfigure for every computer, laptop, etc i moved to. It gets to be a problem.

Maschine, you just install the software and you're good to go!

 

you're comparing an oxygen 8 to a maschine and you're telling me that I seem like I don't have that much time in the game?
on top of that you have the nerve to say that fl studio focuses on techno and it's hard for you to get samples you need to produce hiphop?
Are you ******* serious?
Have a nice day.

 

MStudio is the first drum machine that I have ever owned. I did a lot of research before I made the purchase, so for me, it is everything that I expected. Yes there are limitations with the sequencer, but it hasn't stopped me from making music, I am just grateful because I remember when I couldn't afford a piece of equipment like this... so I don't take it for granted. If there is one major complaint it would be the quality of the encoder knobs.

I will continue to support NI because I think they are a talented bunch with music technology, and I like their products.

@macchinista - lol I totally agree with that list

 

Yeah maschine just works. Other cool stuff is out also. Did you read the interesting quote from an NI developer from a recent interview? The expansion packs are very addicting though lol.

 

Right!

 

This must be a joke
Or youre using some maschine bugfree version noone has