Why do you think NI went mute on song layer?

Maybe the NI employees drinking some "new juice" might entice them to come up with some new ideas to upgrade Maschine for the user base community.

 

I really don't think Maschine has been buried by NI.

And sometimes CEO makes decisions, which are not easy to comprehend or sometimes not at all for the user or customer.

There are thousand possible reasons. And of course, there is an economic competition, getting faster and more brutal as the world comes closer within the technical progress.

That does not mean that the customers shall be completely ignored. But is not my perception, to be honest.

I am not an economical guy, but things in the real world are often more complicated than we think.

One point of view, for whom it may concerns. Hope dies last

 

I think the working environment at NI is really bad

 

Ok this is getting amusing now.. do carry on...

 

NI is almost definitely doing a complete re-design of the UI of Maschine along with a new type of controller for 3.0 and it is a large task.

Certain other specific people in this thread should have come to that conclusion as well based on the same evidence.

 

It has better functionality when it comes to identifying and inputting scales, chords and notes.

I am not a traditional musician so I rely on that information when writing.

 

I wonder if that is because FL Studio is targeted to a much wider customer based which includes a lot of people that don't have much musical theory or background, they just want to load up a DAW and make music.

 

Yeah... There's a lot more tho:

• "Ghost Notes" - Viewing more than one MIDI clip at the same time, this was a such a big deal (and massively requested in other platforms) that Ableton, Reason and other DAW's copied this feature years later... it should be a piano roll standard in today's age.
• MIDI stretching.
• Notes can be sliced, even at an angle by drawing a diagonal line and any notes caught in its path are sliced, cool for making strums or complex arps out of a single sustained chord.
• Speaking of strumming there's a dedicated function for that with a bunch of options.
• Speaking of arps, there's a dedicated function to convert chords to arps, again.. with a bunch of configurable parameters.
• There's a chopper function to turn chords into staccato also with a ton of options.
• Notes can be auto placed at specific time divisions with one click with extra options for fills and flams.
• There's "glide" legato notes where the glide time is defined by the length of the special note, this allows for several glide times without complications such as heavy automation. (and of course, glides can be in time, pretty unique)
• Dedicated randomization engine that adjusts everything in real time as you turn the amount knobs (for things like velocity and a lot more) before applying it so we can "see" what will be applied, really cool.
• You can resize note length from both sides if you want.
• etc, etc, etc....

I could go on for days if i listed everything, I dont even use FL, i just know this from watching others use it... This video has a cool rundown of useful piano roll / midi editing FL features.

Unpopular option: I would actually prefer all these MIDI features over a Song-mode.

People say that a lot... I dont think that's going to happen anytime soon, neither a new big controller or a new major version, of course, this is just an assumption and I can be wrong.
What exactly do you mean when you say "based on evidence"? What evidence? Evidence implies it's a sure fact as opposed to speculation.

 

Steady..... ..you're making me want to get it!!!!!

I don't think that is at all unpopular... gets my vote for sure......

 

I'm not an FL user either.

I used to use Maschine and pro tools. Have for 9 years. Just pro tools before Maschine.

I used trial versions of live and fl for a week or so each because I knew I needed to switch up my work flow.

After learning about both daws I bit the bullet and bought live. The only features I felt was lacking from live for me was the piano roll features. Hope ableton can add some of these in the future.

 

You should try Studio One's piano roll. I think that Studio One, and FL have the best Piano Rolls.

 

sorry for late reply. i understand your confusion, as you can see "patterns on the FL group". these patterns only got "automation of Maschine parameters" in them (automation of maschine plugins which processes FL's audio-stream).

but the way i use FL as a VST inside Maschine now: there's no relation between FL's playlist and maschine's patterns. FL's playlist just synchs to maschine and so i can use it as a "blank canvas" to put any samples where i want them to be (freedom). ofcourse one could youe also VST's inside fl this way...but there's no need for me right now. just using it to have "audio placement freedom" as long as this is not posisble or cumbersome to do in maschine allone...

hope this clears it up a bit.

 

Thanks b-r@nno.
Er slightly ......sort of.... ish.......methinks if I ever get time I'm going to have to demo FL Studio

 

I tried to get jr to teach me FL, but unfortunately FL is unstable on my Mac system. It keeps crashing. I have zero issues with other music applications on it. o FL is going to be a no go for me.

 

Does Studio One have the same features D-One listed above or some other great features? I'd love to know more.

 

depending on how long this was ago, try it again. FL was "windows only" for the whole time. but now there is a "native mac version" available...and i know a ton of people using mac systems that are soo happy using it inside the OSX-environment without any workaround like parallels or what this was called.

 

Latest version. 20.x.210 build

I am also not on the fancy new T2 chip and have very few weird VSTs installed. The only odd stuff is U-he Zebra. There are apparently lots of cases like mine on Image Line forums. Their tech guys recommend try the beta build.

It's entirely possible one of the RAM chips is going bad ... But you would think if that was the case I would see issues in other vendors products . I have Cubase and Maschine projects that swallow > 60% ram and run fine. On FL I am just testing with 2 dummy tracks and keeps crashing. The longest it's run without crashing was maybe 20 mins . There seems no consistently to the reason for crash. Anyways, a discussion for another forum. I threw it over to the imageline folks to figure out. It's their product after all.

 

It's not even close IMO.
Cubase is though... From what I can discern, although I don't use it personally.

 

Studio one is excellent, modern and fast.

Cubase is a bit of an old dog, however it's MIDI implementation is second to none.

Takes yer choice.. Check out videos etc and make your own decision.

Look at Live and Bitwig as well.

 

I thought you would be another person to know what I meant.