Why do you think NI went mute on song layer?

NkS has saved me a lot of time. Korg, Arturia, Dune 2, Rob Papen, Omni (Jason) and more. Rather not having a track going and then stop grab the mouse open the vst and click one preset at time. Workflow killer.

 

Could you be more specific? in what sense have they done it before?
Why not? Simple... Money. Why promote anything NKS when they have their Advance Keyboards to sell?
U-He just makes instruments, it makes sense for them to partner with a DAW since they dont sell plugin wrappers, a DAW or controllers.

That would indeed be amazing, no doubt. I understand what you mean better now and this is actually an interesting topic.

That sounds more like "NKS mapping support" than NKS support since there's a lot more to it than just macros, like the Tag system for example which is necessary because of the amount of presets, imagine browsing thru KU 12CE with all the 90.000+ presets bunched up together... What a nightmare... Surely Live's 7 tags, for example, wouldn't suffice to organize all that rendering it unusable.

Perhaps, if NI provided public documentation there would be more 3rd party tools similar to PresetMagician that could, for example, convert an NKS library to whatever format other DAW's might use that include their macro format... Sounds more realistic than every DAW adopting NI's implementation of macros, thus encouraging their costumers to buy NI crap.

From a development standpoint, we dont even know if the standard is friendly to work with, I am no dev but I have seen some complain how cumbersome it is, that might also be an obstacle, the format also seems to change with no warning, surely that's not something fun to maintain as a dev... A couple of things are actually broken since 2.8 for user presets.

Kind of... It's a format built around a very specific software (KK) and all its features tho, you're kind of focused on the mapping side only (that's only like 10% of NKS) perhaps exactly because you ditched the NI hardware. This is why I wasn't understanding what you meant previously because when I think of NKS I also think of a consistent browser structure, thumbnails, tags, previews, smart play, and a ton more... That might not be important to you, that's fine, it is to me tho, it's probably one of the main reasons I haven't sold all my NI gear and moved on.

Live's instrument/fx browser is a PITA with a bunch of folder and subfolders so I use KK even when not using NI hardware, in this regard the NKS browsing experience is second to none IMO.

Yeah, there's an opportunity there, for sure, but I seriously doubt NI will be the one creating a standard for universal mappings, that doesn't seem to fit their MO, the only time I remember them trying to create a new standard failed miserably. (Stems)

 

Songlayer/arranger/patternmode

Would love to see a better implementation of the arranger. 1 april 2019 I thought after ten years of maschine it maybe would be implemented. As a gift. But I don't think it will come. I think it's sad. Because Maschine essentially is an MPC. But the arrangement, patterns etc. don't work as simple as an MPC. I have an MPC2000 and in the past switched because I thought it would work the same or better. As I got to get used to maschine I got to know the setbacks.

The arrangement/patterns is not logical and I learned the hard way to route samples in cubase. I dont understand why Native doesn't make a better arranger. Why wouldnt they? If I had a company like native, I would please costumers. I would listen to them. But hey. They don't. I gave up. At this moment i'm at a point that i'm retrieving my MPC and using this as a controller with onboard groove agent as a sampler.

I just don't get it why native doesn't improve the arranger. Make a song mode. patterns which can be put in any place.....I know I don't have to explain. I gave up. Maschine is great in some aspects (using vst effects for instance). But Arranger wise it's crap. I'll keep my mpc and maschine. But I'm not using my maschine as it should be. It could be way better. Native knows. I know. And I gave up. Native gave up too, (I guess after waiting so long)......I have not seen any updates for two months. Sad! But still thank Native for maschine, although it is functioning half it could be.

Sorry for the bad English not my native language (edited it for readability)

And thanks for the likes! Not that Native cares, but it seems customers/users care and see
similarities in what I write.

I have to say I'm really sad because of this. Why would a big company like Native drop costumers like this? I'm mad and a little angry, because I can't understand why you wouldn't fix this? Why? And why isn't there any response from the Native team? I'm using lots of vst's. Developers of those vst's (little company's existing of 2 people) respond via mail in 2 days, when asking for requests or modifications, and implement the requests in 2 weeks. Why can't you? (Native)

O and btw. Normally I don't respond or write here. I just fed up with the way Native is handeling complaints/requests and esspecially see how software is not updated. I have to respond and maybe some of the Native employees read this. Its little hope, but hey, I tried and told my story. Thanks!

Kind regards,

Milwel

 

I don't know why we don't understand that they know better but we keep not realising that yet everything they do shows us that......................