Why USB 2 for Komplete 8 hard drive?

I'm with you. If K8U had been delivered on DVDs, the count would be something closer to 60.

People need to get off it with their stubborn deathgrip on old concepts and accept the reality of mechanical delivery media capacity and performance limitations. If you want to run samples off an external hard drive, go buy one! Don't try to force me to buy one, however. I don't accept your premise.

If every plugin maker forced their own runtime hard drive on me, I would have a bundle of snakes with all the wires driving Komplete, my Sonic Coutoure samples, Spectrasonics plugins, East West and Garritan orchestra samples, and much much more!

And with each new version of something, I'd have to plug another hard drive in. Hey, Komplete 9 ain't gonna be any smaller! So of course it will come with its own hard drive. And another one with Vienna or East West sample libraries. It would never end, and I'd have dozens of small and slow hard drives all wired up to my DAW!

Is the OP trying to make me mad thinking about this horrible outcome? :angry:

Looking at it from another angle, I don't think I ever heard anybody saying they really really wanted to run Komplete 2 off of their CD drive and original installer disks back in 2003 or whenver it was. That's because it's INSTALL media only! Why continue to insist that NI (or any manufacturer) make their delivery media into a runtime media device?

How absurd! :lol:

 

It would appear that you haven't read this thread through correctly. I have asked for the information to be sold on a USB3 drive, which is capable of high track count access and therefore completely beneficial to the buyer.
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By buying the K8 upgrade, you have already bought an external hard-drive, which is then as good as useless once the information has been installed. Were it offered on an uncrippled USB3 hard drive and accessible in your set-up, it would be a good buy.

The performance limitations of USB3 exceed those of USB2 by approximately 10 times.....the tech data being 5 Gbit/s (640 MB/s) as opposed to 480 Mbit/s (60 MB/s) for USB2.

If all manufacturers offered their material on separate drives and you had everything wired in at the same time, then yes, of course you'd have a snake-load of cables but seeing as you've paid for the drive already, then why not get some use out of it?

Were this the case and you already had the previous drive, there would be nothing stopping you reformatting the older drive and using it for other purposes. If K9 were also offered on a crippled drive, then you would have 2 drives sitting redundant between installs and you would have paid for both. That is the sad and EXPENSIVE truth to the current NI offering.

You haven't read the thread properly yet have you? Everything you have become "angry" about has been answered. The current outcome is far more horrible and maddening.

However, we are in agreement over one thing, NOBODY has ever asked to run the samples directly off CD, it is a stupid idea but I AM questioning why they aren't given the option to run it off the supplied hard drive, which would mean upgrading it to USB3, not the crippled USB 2 one offered.

You are being sold a HARD DRIVE, an intricately designed slab of metals which is factored into the selling price of K8, yet, it has been crippled to prevent use in your music set-up.

I would like to be offered a hard drive that CAN be used beyond installing its contained information. I don't think this is absurd at all but a cost effective bonus for the buyer.

 

thank you sijarvis for a great reply.

Please, read all the post in this thread, listen to what he has to say, it's quite brilliant.

Well, how nice wouldn't it be if you didn't have to leave your computer when installing, because the install would be done in aprox. 5 minutes? this could be possible if the samples could remain on the external harddrive, and not have to be copied over to the internal HD.

And about you guys who thinks you're going to end up with a sea of external harddrives - what says you have to have all the harddrives connected? with K9, there might be a new harddrive, so you can format the old, and use it as a back-up harddrive for your sessions, samplepacks, movies, mp3, etc.

Like it's been said before, why not a more powerful external harddrive, so EVERYONE can be happy? Just with my synths, I like to have alot of choices!

 

uhh... I don't know if you have just not installed a lot of NI software before, but even the smallest single Reaktor instruments/effects with hardly any samples are barely a 5 minute install affair... I think The Mouth was more than a five minute install... My Komplete 8 Ultimate install went super smooth with ho hiccups at all and was about two hours and a bit.

In my experience, even running fairly small Kontakt instruments from external hard drives is just not optimal, load times are LONG. And the external drives I have experimented with have usually been nice fast eSATA. You can not beat having your samples installed on your internal hard drives. And as Kontakt (my primary instrument) grows in power and size, I would highly suggest buying a dedicated internal drive such as the new Momentus hybrid drives. They are amazing.

As for the previous poster who was complaining about the drive not being USB 3? Hell, why don't we just complain more and DEMAND that NI send us an external eSATA RAID 6 array? And jack up the price by a few hundred dollars for a new hard drive I don't need or want.

Or let's demand NI save us $50-$75 and offer the option of NOT sending the next Komplete on a cheap small hard drive, but instead send it to us on 80+ DVD's so we can spend a good few days installing it. Then those of us who don't mind paying AND WOULD GLADLY PAY extra to have a cheap external hard drive install option can do so without all this faux complaining. My time is honestly worth more than paying for an external hard drive to speed up the process.

AGAIN, There is NOTHING STOPPING YOU USING THE HARD DRIVE AS A HARD DRIVE... This has been pointed out several times in this thread. Go ahead and use the slow little hard drive as a hard drive to your heart's content.

Personally, I already have two 3 TB NAS units for daily/weekly backup, and a 2 TB external eSATA drive attached to my primary production machine which has almost 4 TB of internal drives. Hooking up a little 5400 RPM USB laptop drive does not really hold any sex appeal to me. Hard drives (even in today's post-quake-tsunami world) are cheap and you should never be running out of space.

 

Hello,

i had to open the komplete 8 ultimate drive because when i put in the usb cabel into the harddrive the female connector inside had lost the contact with the interface. (Sorry for my bad english). So i openend the hardrive and i found an usb2 interface connected to a sata harddisk. I disconnect the interface from the harddrive and connected it directly with the sata cabel inside my pc. And with an internal power cable of course. The installation of the 120 GByte was finished in about 70 Minutes. I couldn't believe it I have to say that i only have installed the additional instuments from the ultimate version. The komplete 8 dvd's had been installed before. (Many hours :-((

I couldn't repair the usb2 interface so i ordered a 2.5 " case with an usb3 interface for a sata harddrive. For example this harddrive case: (i have only a german link).
The quality and manufacture of this case and its interface is very good.

http://www3.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=51203&agid=1458
You don't need a 5V power supply for this case, you only need an USB3 cabel.

Next time i will be able to install komplete 8 ultimate using usb3 speed)) I will inform you how long it takes.

 

Well done Micha. Why NI didn't provide USB 3 as standard is beyond me.

Sadly you'd lose your warranty were you to reformat the drive and use it for other purposes, so now you have installed the information, the supplied sata drive is largely redundant until your next re-install.

 

This is where you are incorrect. I agreed that it stinks that the hd that is included cannot be "used." But you are not paying for the hd. Komplete 8 comes in two bundles...Komplete 8 and Komplete 8 Ultimate. The ultimate version contains 50 products vs the standard Komplete's 27 products (240g vs 110g).

So you are not paying extra for the hard drive....you are paying extra for an additional 23 products that are not included in the standard Komplete 8. The only reason that that they included the hard drive is so you do not have 50 DVD's to install and keep track of.

I agree with you that for this price...and the fact that they are including a drive...i would be great if it was "usable," however...this is still a killer deal....and they are NOT charging you for the drive...they are charging you extra for the additional software.

 

Micha, with all the trouble you had with the delivery media hard drive, you probably should have tried to get an RMA and returned it.

If you are having trouble with the connections today, who knows what else might stop functioning in 2, 5, or 10 years?

 

Of course they're charging you for the drive. It's factored into the final price else they wouldn't make a profit. I would just like to see it being more useful post purchase than is currently presented.

 

I am certainly going to have a whinge!

I received my Komplete 9 ultimate 3 days ago, and I'm doing a full installation and so far it's into its third day of continuosly running the installation, and still hasn't finished.
This is when I came to the conclusion that it has to be a 5400 RPM Hard disk!

I just got onto this forum to see if it should be a 5400 RPM external Hard Drive, only because of how long it's taking to install, and the fact that when I opened the box, the hard drive was not sitting in its secured pocket within the box, but underneath it.

The worst part, and this is when I started to get suspicious of what I had received, was when I took the drive out it has scratches and finger prints all over. Now I'm not talking about light surface scratches, there's several scratches that are quite deep, and there is a Komplete 9 sticker on the bottom right side that has obviously been taken off something else and place on the drive!

I know the box said that the drive may not be the same that's on the box, but hey, what's the deal having an image of some beautifully engraved external hard drive with the title Komplete 9 Ultimate engraved on it, if they have every intention of given customers a shitty second hand hard disk with deep scratches on it.

Does this sound right to you! :angry:

 

it would not matter that much if you put it on a usb3, tbolt, or fwire800 7200rpm drive and enclosure. the 2.5 inch drive is limited in speed to begin with. if you wanted to see a significant speed increase, you would need to us an SSD or 3.5 drive in esata, usb3, tbolt, or fwire400/800. also, a bit of the time is spent on the install scripts, which drive speed and bus has little influence on. it also has to read the install to disc and optimize it.

i would recommend getting a larger 3.5 drive and making a 275G partition for it or creating a disc image of it. then if you need to re-install it it would be faster.

 

Hi Ntula

With all due respect, what your saying does make a difference with increasing the data transfer rate, but it is not necessary when the external hard disk shouldn't take three and a half days to transfer 275Gb from a 5400rpm drive to an internal 7200rpm drive.

What you're saying is not true, although the speed of the external drive is 5400rpm, it still makes a difference whether or not you're transferring data via a Firewire, USB 3 instead of a USB 2 or thunderbolt, these three connections are going to transfer the data quicker if you have the same connection type on the external drive and the PC itself, however I understand what you're saying, and that is the drive is limited in speed because of the pathetic spindle cycle of 5400rpm's!

I have already been told by several users on this forum that something is definitely not right with the drive, and in actual fact one person said it only took them several hours to install 275Gb from their external drive via a USB 2 connection onto a 7200rpm drive.

I have two 2Tb external drives connected to my computer with a spin cycle rate of 7200rpm's and data transfers significantly faster than the drive sent from Native Instruments!

Thanks for your thoughts though!
Regards
Jason

 

it is more so the sustained transfer rate and not the burst (buffer) rate. it took the same amount of time to install it from the usb2 k9u drive as it did to copy 250g onto a 2.5 7200 higher performance drive. the sustained rates are the same because of the limitations of the drive interface. if i copy 250G on my 3.5 7200 internal drives it takes about 30 minutes instead of 2.9 hours.

 

most of us will use the libraries on an internal drive dedicated to loop and sample libraries. The USB 2 drive is just a delivery mechanism.

I like how they do it. Why py extra for a better drive that wont get used in most cases.

 

Thanks for the response!

I understand that it's practical means of delivering the content instead of sending us 65 DVD's, however more importantly you need to have it as a back up device. You must be aware that your internal hard drives can fail at anytime, so something as important as our Komplete library should remain on an external drive.

Since this drive may very well be stuffed, is it possible to transfer the entire contents to another faster, more reliable external hard drive, or is the content hard coded to the drive with some unique serial number for my registered copy of Komplete?

Thanks