Windows XP No Sound From Ensemble

Hi everybody,

there are some issues reported with an ensemble I recently uploaded to the user Library ("Carbon 4"). It was reported that the ensemble does not produce any sound on Windows XP. As I am on a Mac, I cannot check what is going wrong with my synthesizer. I have read in the official statements that Windows 7 or Windows 8 are required to run Reaktor 5.9.2 (the version used for creating the ensemble). Therefore it would be very helpful if someone who is on Windows XP confirmed or disconfirmed the issue independently. Is it possible to run Reaktor on a Windows XP machine in spite of the mentioned system requirements? Is there a workaround for the problem?

Here’s the ensemble:

http://www.native-instruments.com/de/community/reaktor-user-library/entry/show/8325/

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance,
Alex

 

Windows XP is no longer supported in terms of Reaktor or any other NI software.

All Windows users have to use Windows 7 or 8.

sowari

 

Thank you for your clarification, sowari! I think we can consider the issue as XP specific, and as XP is no longer supported, there seems to be nothing I can do to help the user. I am sorry about that.
But the good news is that there is nothing terribly weird with my ensemble ...

 

Selecting a clock dependent snapshot causes a NAN error for me..

 

Strange. I am sorry to hear that. Could you please provide more information about the issue?

 

Hi PaHaMa,

I was able to identify a *possible* source for a NaN error in my structure – I still believe my code correct, and strange enough, I have never got such an error myself when creating the clock dependent snaps. But let me say, I changed the macro for a Core equivalent, and though there is no noticeable change, you might try the new version (4.01) and see if the issue persists. Sorry for the inconvenience, and thanks for your patience.

Alex

 

The issue still persists. I opened it with reaktor as a vst within a DAW (FL Studio), standalone everything seems to be fine.
I can't really specify the problem further, because NaNs are a pretty mysterious to me. In wire debugging mode I tried to tackle the problem by muting or replacing parts of the structure, but couldn't identify the bad source.

Thank you for your efforts!

 

are you sure your plugin version of Reaktor is 5.9.2?

sometimes the VST version does not get updated.

please click on the NI logo in the Reaktor plugin to check the version.

sowari

 

5.9.2 (R1074)

 

Thank you for your replies. Some years ago there have been reports about issues with NI’s built-in MIDI clock. Have a look here for instance:

http://www.reaktortips.com/2012/11/a-working-clock.html

I do not know if these issues are still relevant. I used macros from Daniel Battaglia and Dieter Zobel to create my MIDI clock (credits are in the ensemble info pane). PaMaHa: Perhaps you could try to download Dieter Zobels "Kauzigizer" ensemble which is essentially driven by the same clock macro:

http://www.native-instruments.com/de/community/reaktor-user-library/entry/show/8273/

If the NaN error shows up there, we can hope to find out the causes for the strange behavior you have described. Best, Alex

 

Kauzigizer works fine. (luckily / sadly

 

This is totally strange. The Audio Unit format works perfectly as far as I can see with Logic Studio. Never get NaN errors there. I am really unhappy with the situation.

Is there any advice what I could try to solve this problem (except buying a PC)?

 

in the past i have had NAN errors but not for the recent Reaktor builds. NAN errors can usually be traced to a specific part of an Ensemble. this should be possible by switching on the 'Wire Debugging' and finding where the numbers stop and the NAN starts.

fwiw, i always use the VST version of Reaktor in Ableton. your Ensemble works fine in Ableton with the VST version of the plugin.

sowari

 

Thanks sowari, your help is much appreciated. Let me just ask one more question: Are NANs something I will immediately see (if there should be things like that in my wires), when turning on wire debugging? Will "NAN" or something like that show up instead of the numbers or values?

As you will see from my question I never encountered NANs when debugging my structures ... but I will have a look in the next days.

[EDIT] It has been just reported by a user on the UL page that the ensemble works perfectly in Ableton and NI Maschine on OS X Mavericks.

 

Hi sowari and PaMaHa,

I performed a full search for NaNs in my structure with wire debugging turned on and the MIDI clock running (Logic Studio, AU), but I was unable to find any trace of these mysterious entities. The only thing I noticed was the strange value -0 showing up sometimes. But I consider this harmless, since one gets this result in Reaktor just by multiplying -1 by 0 (which is allowed of course), as will be seen in my screen shot.

At the moment I am forced to consider the whole issue as a Reaktor bug showing up under certain circumstances (which I unfortunately cannot investigate further, given my own setup). I know it’s disappointing, so please excuse this.

Happy holidays, Alex

 

yes, NANs show up instead of the numbers - which is how you can trace them. clearly with a very complex structure this can be very time consuming.

 

Thanks sowari, as I said in my previous post (couldn’t wait for your reply ), I have found nothing but regular numbers when looking into my structure going from structures to substructures to substructures and so on ...

Thanks for your ongoing help for everybody here in the forum ... and happy holidays!
Alex

 

i have windows 7 64bit, reaper 32 bit and reaktor 592 as vst plug 32 bit running.
the first sound after starting the plug works but if change to an midiclock preset and back to "normal" presets the sound is gone !
BTW: how to start the reaktor midi clock. there is no button for that in the vst version

 

Hi Andreas,

thank you for coming to the forum. I have downloaded the Mac evaluation version of Reaper to test my ensemble. And let me assure you that everything works fine here. There’s no issue at all. Just to be clear:

There are two different kinds of snapshots in my ensemble:

(1) The ones that will only work when the MIDI clock is running.
(2) The ones that will work regardless of the state of the MIDI clock.

And you have to distinguish two modes in which Reaktor can be used:

(a) Standalone.
(b) As a VST-, AU- etc. plugin in a digital audio workstation (DAW) like Reaper.

To start the MIDI clock in standalone mode (a) you have to click on the PLAY button in the title bar of the Reaktor application window.
To start the MIDI clock in DAW mode (b) you have to press the PLAY button in the DAW transport (which means in Reaper: the vertical song position line in the main window has to be moving). Whenever this is not the case (i.e. when Reaper is not playing), you will not get any sound from snapshots of category (1).

So try this:

(A.1) Open Reaktor in standalone mode.
(A.2) Load version 4.01 of my ensemble.
(A.3) Make sure that the snap "Absynced Auto" is selected.
(A.4) Play some notes on the screen keyboard.
(A.5) Do you get any sound from the ensemble?

Then check this:

(B.1) Select from the Bank "APH Run MIDI clock" the snapshot "Muse Lead".
(B.2) Hit the PLAY button in Reaktor’s title bar.
(B.3) Play some notes on the screen keyboard.
(B.4) Do you get any sound from the ensemble?

Now repeat (A) and (B) with Reaktor loaded as a VST in Reaper, but replace (B.2) by

(B.2*) Hit the PLAY button in Reapers transport bar.

Does the ensemble work by now? If not, there’s probably a conflict with the 32 and 64 bit versions of the software you are using. Once again: My ensemble works fine in Reaper on OS X Lion.

All the best, Alex

 

hi alex

as is said. first start i have sound but if i switch to a midi clock preset and have reaper playing (as i triedbefore) no sound. if i switch back to the first preset wich i had sound - no sound anymore.

but nevermind have a nice xmas on good new year

cheers
andreas