Wish: Shuffle and triolic envelopes

Title says everything.
The "flexible envelopes" of all N.I. products offering such (FM7, Kontakt, Absynth) aren't up to anything shuffled or not being binary grooves.
There should be shuffle/swing modes and settings such as 8t and 16t (just according to what is possible when quantizing in almost any host).

- Sascha

 

Hi Sascha,

I'm probabyl not even remotely understanding your question
What do you expect the envelopes to do other than syncing to the host tempo, since everything else can be done within the envelopes. So I'm not quite sure what you're missing...

...Summa

 

No, you can't do shuffled grooves properly. There's no index and proper snap for, say 24th notes, let alone slightly shuffled grooves. Those can't be done using the envelopes.

Also, let's assume I have a nice patch in even 16th notes. Now I'd like to use this on a slightly shuffled groove: Impossible as none of N.I.'s synths offers a gradual shuffle/swing control.

Very important once you work in styles such as funk, soul, hip hop and whatever.

Here's a very simple example:
http://home.arcor.de/s.franck/NoShuffleFM7.mp3
4 bars of a straight 16th note loop with some straight 16th note FM7 sync patch. Then 4 bars of the same loop shuffled but FM7 playing still the same - obviously not matching each other at all, just because you can't adjust any shuffling on the FM7.
And of course I don't want to readjust every single envelope point manually (which wouldn't even be possible at all as there's no "inbetween" values, say, between 16th and 24th notes).

Regards,
Sascha

 

Hmmm... I think you can come very close to the e.g. 24th when using 5 x 128th and set another about 7 units (5 isn't possible) by directly changing the delta time parameter at the top of the envelope window. Holding the shift makes it easier to fine tune those parameters...

 

You know, Summa, it's not about getting "close" or whatever.
It's about the hassle going with it.
Let's assume you have like 3-5 synced envelopes going, all with multiple nodes at 16th note values.
To make this patch fit any shuffled groove would almost take hours, especially regarding the fact that very often while trying things out I may want to check out different shuffle values (I do that very often, actually).

IMO there's gotta be two enhancements for the envelopes:
- More values than just even 4th multiplicator based ones (4, 8, 16, whatever), to allow for construction of "basic" grooves others than only even divisoned ones.
- A "shuffle" function to quickly adjust even note envelopes to your groove.

And while I'm at those envelopes: In case of FM7 I'd like to see a better preset menu than what is there (let alone that in the Komplete 2 version this is completely broken under Windows), something like in Kontakt would be way better!

Regards,
Sascha