Wish: Swing/Shuffle and triolic grooves

Title says everything.
The "flexible envelopes" of all N.I. products offering such (FM7, Kontakt, Absynth) aren't up to anything shuffled or not being binary grooves.
There should be shuffle/swing modes and settings such as 8t and 16t (just according to what is possible when quantizing in almost any host).

- Sascha

(sorry for the cross post, but there's nothing like a general wish list)

 

Hey Sascha!Don't see you much on this forum.
I like that idea-I'd like to take it even farther though and be able to select any number of divisions per beat(let's say 11)and have a swing/shuffle function on top of it all.
ew

 

Well, I just got Komplete 2, before I only had Battery, B4 and FM7.
Not much to post about them, apart from that N.I. simply doesn't care about them anymore it seems (at least for Battery this seems to be more than valid... *sigh*).

And while my wish also applies to FM7, it never became as urgent as during the last days when I was doing some recordings with some funky dudes. Almost 70% or so of their grooves are shuffled, so none of those nice syncing multi-envelopes make sense anymore.

Sure, other than 12th, 24th and whatever shuffled values would be nice as well, but I think N.I. could at first adress some basic grooves (I consider anything shuffled to be pretty much basic).

In addition I'd wish there was some sort of "timestretch" function for all flexible envelopes.
So you could just take your nice 16th note syncing pattern and stretch it to become an 8th note pattern. The current implemetation (no matter whether in Kontakt, FM7 or Absynth) requires to readjust all nodes manually. Quite some task IMO.
Of course such a stretch function could work for anything inbetween as well, so you could eventually transform some 4/16th note pattern into some 4/13th note pattern or whatever would suit you.

Cheers,
Sascha

 

I second this request for shuffling capabilities for the Absynth (as well as of other NI instruments).
It's kind of a second nature in my music head to use shuffling timing, in fact it's strange that this function isn't implemented by NI from start.
Even non-instruments like sequencers (Cubase at least) offer this function, often in a very extended way, for midi notes as well as for audio regions.
If you say 'black music' you say 'shuffle', so... does Absynth (FM7, etc.) wanne be white?
cheerz

 

It's been a while since I made something in Absynth so I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure this option exists already.

 

You'll find the timestretch you were after in the transform menu under scale.
Personally I don't see the need for a shuffle option, It would only save a little time compared to shifting the lift note manually I'd much prefer an option to design your own snap grids.
You can use the time scaling option to get those 16T and 8T time divisions you wanted simply scale by 1.333 or 0.75.

 

Thanks. Very useful.

It would only save LITTLE time to shift all upbeat 16th notes in a groove using up to 68 nodes per envelope with XYZ envelopes all over the place?
Come on, you must be kidding - this will take a load of time!
Let's not forget that sometimes (actually very often) you just try out a certain shuffle amount, only to find out more or less shuffle would be better.
There needs to be a seamless integration of this!

As hubird allready mentioned: Almost anything we consider being "black" music (no matter whether it's soul, funk, hip hop, RnB, whatever) is dealing with a fair amount of shuffled grooves.
Just the flexible envelopes (of all NI synths offering such) aren't up to the task.

Regards,
Sascha

 

Forgiveness please. I have a tendency to assume everyone works like I do, and I get all my lengthy patterns in Absynth through the use of uneven pattern divisions whereby that's not an issue.
BTW when I wrote 1.333 earlier I meant 1.5

 

The problem of adding shuffle comes down to the fact that the times of the breakpoints in the envelopes of Absynth, FM7 etc are mesured in relation to their preceding breakpoints and not in relation to any musical time scale (i.e. the grid counts 1,1,1,1 rather than 1,2,3,4 or whatever) though I may be wrong.
If they could allow the simultanious selection and manipulation of multiple breakpoints it would make things like that easier at least. Or the solution I really want, as I mentioned earlier the ability to design your own snap grids.
And I have to correct myself again 1.333 was right .75 should have been .666

 

You're correct with this when it comes to Absynth, but both Kontakt and FM7 use "normal" rhythmical values for their breakpoints whenever you switch on "sync", i.e 1/8, 1/16 and so on.

apart from certain technical difficulties I can't see much of a reason why NI shouldn't add a sequencer-like quantization menu, allowing to quantize all breakpoints or only some of them (a bunch of selected ones or ones that allready fall close to a beat), with the usual addition of swing/shuffle q-values plus an option to only add some slight shuffle values.
Really, it wouldn't mean to change anything to the existent functionality (OK, for Absynth it might mean having to add something new) but only expand it.

Seriously, I've just been recording some shuffled stuff and haven't been able to use any of my pre-made FM7 patches easily at all. In the end I bounced one patch down to disk, loaded it into Intakt and shuffled the MIDI file it exported - way less than comfortable and (in that case at least) not sounding too great either. But it was exactly the sort of tonal loop we were after... and adjusting it to fit the amount of shuffle we used on the song straight in FM7 really wasn't possible, considering the amount of time I had (let alone that we fooled around with different shuffle values quite a bit).

Cheers,
Sascha