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Host Automation problems

Discussion in 'MASCHINE Area' started by Mode44, Jan 25, 2017.

  1. Mode44

    Mode44 NI Product Owner

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    has anyone else encountered a bug with 2.5.6 where a project that has been worked in maschine then opened in live won't automate using the host automate feature? odd thing is,if you start a new project of maschine within live it works correctly.
     
  2. dabb

    dabb Active Member

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    Yes i've had the very same situation.
    I assigned Maschine macros to host, Ableton recognised them, but moving that knobs from Ableton had no effect on Maschine. If i move knobs (from HW or SW) in Maschine, Ableton reacts but not visa versa.

    I restarted Ableton, same project (still wasnt working), opened new instance of maschine, copied the groups and it worked at last.

    Maybe Maschine maybe Ableton problem, IDK.
    Happened only once, seems not reproducible so i dont mind too much.
     
  3. Mode44

    Mode44 NI Product Owner

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    can only think it's a problem maschine side after the link update ... I've a few projects that need the full automation treatment and none of them seem to work .. Good thinking with the copying of the groups to a new instance in ableton,that should help me out for the time being .
    I've sent a report to support coz it Deffo needs looking at .
     
  4. dabb

    dabb Active Member

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    You're right its reproducible. I didnt aware all older projects are affected..
    I've reported support too, now reporting it to our bug police @CakeAlexS :p

    older maschine projects don't respond automation.
    steps to reproduce:
    *Open Ableton, Open maschine vst in ableton
    *From maschine open a project made before 2.5.6 update.
    *Now try to add automation to host

    Workaround:
    Save Groups from older project and open them with a new instance of maschine.

    El Cap, latest Ableton and Maschine here.

    @Mode44 are you on win or osx?
     
  5. Mode44

    Mode44 NI Product Owner

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    I'm Using OS X El Capitan myself .
     
  6. b-righteous

    b-righteous Moderator Moderator

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    If you load the old Maschine project, resave it in Maschine as a new version, then reload new version will it work?
     
  7. Mode44

    Mode44 NI Product Owner

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    @b-righteous nope nothing ,ive tried saving in both maschine and ableton and it still doesn't seem to send any data back to maschine .
    as dabb mentioned ,the sliders on ableton are moving whilst tracking the curve but the knobs in maschine don't respond back.
    weird thing is if i manually turn a dial in maschine the slider in ableton moves
     
    Last edited: Jan 30, 2017
  8. CakeAlexS

    CakeAlexS NI Product Owner

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    So it's reproducible.

    Anybody done it on Windows?
    Hmm how can we confirm this isn't an Ableton issue?
     
  9. Mode44

    Mode44 NI Product Owner

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    Not sure about Windows it's definitely a maschine problem , I've received an email from their support recently saying that the developers have been made aware and that the next update 'Should' fix it......these major bugs in updates are starting to become very wearing to say the least.
     
  10. CakeAlexS

    CakeAlexS NI Product Owner

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    Wow I've been documenting a whole load of bugs (will do this one) and have never got any response about any of them apart from a couple of regression issues. Congrats on a direct response.
     
  11. Mode44

    Mode44 NI Product Owner

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    So it looks like the host automation bug has been cleaned up with 2.6 which is good however I'm finding the movement of the knobs within maschine extremely twitchy with the new update ..... Anybody else?
     
  12. Alexgrabiner

    Alexgrabiner New Member

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    Has this bug been fixed for you guys? I'm having similar issues but with different setup, Mac OS sierra running bitwig, when I enable host automation, I can see and create automation for the parameter, but changes in either maschine or the host aren't reflected by the other, until i close the project in bitwig and open it again. then the automation works fine
     
  13. CakeAlexS

    CakeAlexS NI Product Owner

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    Automation is not this best... I will tag on This issue for instance.