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Load to first cuepoint /Load Marker Behavior

Discussion in 'Feature Suggestions' started by Marc_Tf, Jan 23, 2009.

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  1. Marc_Tf

    Marc_Tf NI Product Owner

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    How about this option: load to first cuepoint (and not loadmarker!)

    This would be how it works:

    1 If no cue points are set, track is loaded to the beginning.
    2 If any cue points are set -whatever sort- the track loads to the first cue point.
    3 If a loadmarker is set, the track will load to the loadmarker, and not the first cuepoint.

    IMO, much more efficient then the current situation..
     
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    garysulter NI Product Owner

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    Fresh519 NI Product Owner

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  4. chris_in_london

    chris_in_london Forum Member

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    yep, in addition to 'cue to load marker' would be even nicer, just for those tracks which have an intro that you never play
     
  5. John Daminato_Tf

    John Daminato_Tf NI Product Owner

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    I agree. When you set the auto grid to the first beat thats where the track should load. You shouldnt have to take up a hotcue to tell traktor, "this is where the first beat is" then another hot cue to say "this is where autogrid needs to start" Now your down 2 hotcues, lameooo.

    Im not even understanding why when you hit the back to start button it goes way beyond the start of the track, and misses syncing..
     
  6. Marc_Tf

    Marc_Tf NI Product Owner

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    No more support then this?

    Amazing..
     
  7. chris_in_london

    chris_in_london Forum Member

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    weird isn't it? every time i load a track, i had to hit the my 'next cue point' shortcut to get it ready to play. hard to believe more people don't find this a chore.

    they must still be scratching it up with the vinyl discs in a 20th century fashion! ;P
     
  8. Marc_Tf

    Marc_Tf NI Product Owner

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    If no support.. this will be our fate.. put double markers on all our tracks.

    I really don't see a downside to this one.. but little support.

    Frustrating..
     
  9. chris_in_london

    chris_in_london Forum Member

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    i know - a preference 'automatically load to first marker' on the same list as 'only load into stopped deck' etc would suffice. it's not hard, the functionality is already there.

    this is why i feel such bile towards NI when they make useless tweaks like changing the sound of the mixer filter and ignore sensible feature requests.
     
  10. J.R.

    J.R. NI Product Owner

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    it's a good idea.
    but maybe it's more useful to load to the first grid point like in t3?
     
  11. Marc_Tf

    Marc_Tf NI Product Owner

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    Yep.. But it sucks to make 2 cue points in a beginning of a track.

    First Loadpoint (loose a hotcue)
    Remap (Major pain)
    Then trackmarker (Usually same position)

    For all my tracks..

    I know the functionality is their but it is just not efficient.

    I would love a midi command then loads to 1st hotkey WITHOUT playing.

    Then I can make a workaround..
     
  12. wys01

    wys01 NI Product Owner

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  13. Chris Rimby

    Chris Rimby NI Product Owner

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    Serato Scratch Live has this option
     
  14. Marc_Tf

    Marc_Tf NI Product Owner

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    Great.. lets use that as a pressure point!
     
  15. Karlos Santos

    Karlos Santos Rocket Man Moderator

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    Saying 'Serato can do it' will never be taken as a pressure point.
    Do you think the guys at Serato are thinkg they should make SSL more like Traktor cus people say so.

    Id say a better pressure point is to make a really valid argument for your Request.

    I personally agree that there should be more 'Load' options.
     
  16. Marc_Tf

    Marc_Tf NI Product Owner

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    Hee Karlos,

    Thanks for your support.

    Of course, Serato is no argument to implement anything.

    The best reasons why NI should implement it:

    1 Because it makes TP a better program
    2 Because it will help the users achieve better user-experience.

    I wish NI would actively pursue all hints and tips from users,
    radiate: "your opinion is important to us and appreciated"
    and that good ideas find their way into their software without a
    concept having to be sold to them by massive discontent or pressure.
     
  17. lethal_pizzle

    lethal_pizzle NI Product Owner

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    You should have the option to load the track to any cue point.

    How about a ticky box in the deck panel when you are setting cuepoint - 'Load to this cue'?

    Then if you want to ignore load points you can, or you can set load to any cuepoint, all on a track by track basis.

    You've also simplified things. You've got rid of dedicated 'load points' entirely! You've also got rid of the concept of 'load to first cue point'. Occam's razor at work!

    The cue point that you load to will revert to the last cue point you did the ticky-box thing in and you could have a little L or symbol over that cue point in the wave form view... sorted
     
  18. Marc_Tf

    Marc_Tf NI Product Owner

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    All true, but I just want a track to load to a first cuepoint by default WITHOUT a second action.
    (Either while playing or while setting cuepoints) I want the result in ONE ACTION.

    We have no command for setting a loadmarker,
    a marker cannot have a double function,
    and, currently, Traktor doesn't load to the first:

    This means useless extra actions/ mouse clicks AFAIC.

    NI, please make this simple and easy.

    Just load to fist Marker. Simple. Like it should be.
    At least the guys at Serato got that!

    (Whoop, there it is!)
     
  19. Karlos Santos

    Karlos Santos Rocket Man Moderator

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    I agree with both of you (though not on the Serato thing haha).
    There should be more flexibility with loading.

    Not sure about Occam's razor becasue even though you may wish to be rid of Load Markers (simplify) you will naturally make matters slightly more complicated by having the option to have an "L" on one marker but not on others. Somehow you need to differentiate between Cue Points that are or arent Load Points. The current way is probably the most simple, well simple for the software to work out.

    I agree that whatever and however you chose to Load it should be definitive and not need a second action.
     
  20. Marc_Tf

    Marc_Tf NI Product Owner

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    Hee Karlos,

    Thanks for your support.. Hope it will reach NI.
    Are these guys performing themselves with TP?

    Lots of issues I have are related to workflow.

    It seems that if you use the program a lot it would start to annoy..
    If you have to manage a big library, it would be obvious we need some changes.

    So:

    Playlist management is not optimal
    Cue point behaviour is not optimal
    File management is not optimal
    File analysis is not optimal
    Setting dialogue is not optimal

    Come on NI! Get this show on the road!
     
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